That's where I put my money... a year ago.

On Thursday, January 10, 2013 11:37:00 PM UTC-7, Lorin Rivers wrote:
>
> What are the odds for "never"? I'll place a bet on that. 
>
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> On Jan 10, 2013, at 21:20, Ron Stewart <[email protected] <javascript:>> 
> wrote:
>
> I'm staying subscribed to this thread only because several of us at work 
> have a bet on when Versions will be updated to provide SVN 1.7 support...
>
> On Thursday, January 10, 2013 1:51:37 PM UTC-7, drukepple wrote:
>>
>> Wow, I totally forgot about this thread.  But thanks, because the email 
>> notification reminded me that I should just unsubscribe myself.  Even if 
>> SVN were still a thing for me (why, hello, Git!), Versions would be dead to 
>> me owing to the very topic of this thread.  Best of luck to you.  Thanks 
>> for the year or two that Versions was grand, and I hope your plan works out 
>> the way you expect.  So long.
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 9, 2013 3:38:44 PM UTC-7, Daniel Dickison wrote:
>>>
>>> Just another ping on svn 1.7 support — even a vague ballpark statement 
>>> would be nice.  Is 1.7 support a priority?  Perhaps after Kaleidoscope 2 
>>> emerges from beta? I've switched to the command line for now, and 
>>> contemplating other apps.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 27, 2012 8:20:01 AM UTC-4, dlpasco wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We bought this software to continue updating it and make it even 
>>>> greater than it already is.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, disclosing our product roadmap is not an option. Jack is 
>>>> in the unenviable position of being the public face for this product - 
>>>> please at least divert your frustration to me personally, because he is 
>>>> just conveying the message that our team members have all internally 
>>>> agreed 
>>>> to stand by: we give a damn what people think, our product group is very 
>>>> busy, and we can't talk about when we'll release products or what will be 
>>>> in the those releases until they have shipped.
>>>>
>>>> If people are upset about that, it's understandable. All that I can say 
>>>> is, we didn't acquire this product to kill it or sit on it.
>>>>
>>>> The gist of this is as follows:
>>>>
>>>> * We can't miss a deadline we don't announce (on at least one product, 
>>>> we would have missed our proposed deadline multiple times if we'd kept 
>>>> telling people when we planned to ship. Unfortunately, really producing a 
>>>> polished product takes a lot of time, and we agreed internally that we'd 
>>>> rather take longer to make something better than just push something out 
>>>> the door that would make people upset).
>>>> * If we don't announce the features in our next planned release, we 
>>>> can't get flamed for postponing support for that feature in the release if 
>>>> it looks like it's not ready to make it into the build yet).
>>>> * Our competitors (and there are many out there) - can't jump the gun 
>>>> on us if we don't announce an upcoming feature before it goes live.
>>>>
>>>> All three of these factors are important, and the last one may only be 
>>>> important to us, but it's a critical one: our product team is young and 
>>>> totally buried working on applications - if we lose market share simply 
>>>> because we announce something before it's ready, and someone else is 
>>>> capable of responding to the announcement before we ship, it's going to 
>>>> really hurt our ability to even break even on what we're working on - 
>>>> which 
>>>> means that it will become even harder for our team to ship great updates 
>>>> to 
>>>> these apps.
>>>>
>>>> My personal focus for almost the last year has been on putting 
>>>> absolutely all of my energy into our product team. These apps are large, 
>>>> complex, great things, and we're committed to doing great work on 
>>>> everything we ship. Since our product team currently consists of about 
>>>> five 
>>>> full time developers and four full time designers, and we have taken on 
>>>> five different applications. Moving forward with these apps *and* doing a 
>>>> great job on them takes time.
>>>>
>>>> Our company is investing heavily in the product group, currently at a 
>>>> net loss. Hopefully, at some point in the future we will at least break 
>>>> even on our work. At the present, please try to take the following points 
>>>> to heart:
>>>>
>>>> * We are crazily in love with our apps
>>>> * We are working our butts off
>>>> * We have already turned down offers to acquire our company, as well as 
>>>> offers to acquire individual products, because we want to see these apps 
>>>> *ship* and we want them to be amazing. 
>>>> * We are absolutely not sitting on these apps and happily collecting 
>>>> revenue from them - we're using the revenue to pay for the work our 
>>>> product 
>>>> team is doing and our company is sinking considerably more than those apps 
>>>> are making into the product group in order to pay for the other people 
>>>> that 
>>>> the direct revenue doesn't cover.
>>>>
>>>> At this point, as I've told Jack (who has expressed support for our 
>>>> stance of silence, but also really been uncomfortable with the fact that 
>>>> it 
>>>> doesn't leave him in a very good position on the support front), the only 
>>>> thing we can do is shut up and ship something great. Which is what we're 
>>>> trying to do.
>>>>
>>>> If we lose customers in the interim, those are lumps we will have to 
>>>> take. Hopefully as our apps do ship, they will be compelling enough that 
>>>> people will be interested in trying them out.
>>>>
>>>> I wish we were big enough that I could just throw 30 people at these 
>>>> projects and ship them on an expedited pace. Unfortunately, this is why 
>>>> being indie is a double-edged sword: we have complete creative control 
>>>> over 
>>>> our apps and can take the time to make them the best they can be, instead 
>>>> of being beholden to some investor that wants us to ship a shitty product 
>>>> as quickly as possible to meet their bottom line, or outright kill a 
>>>> product by selling it to someone that *would* just sit on it to make a 
>>>> quick buck.
>>>>
>>>> Really, the only sources of pressure we have to ship something before 
>>>> it's ready are our own finance people, who would love to see the revenue 
>>>> coming in so they could stop pouring money into the product team and put 
>>>> some capital away for our own security, and our existing users, who are 
>>>> understandably frustrated and impatient with the realities of how long 
>>>> this 
>>>> is taking.
>>>>
>>>> Everyone else in our own group is beating themselves senseless on our 
>>>> work and would prefer to keep it unreleased until it is ready.
>>>>
>>>> We've talked about writing a blog post about this, and we probably 
>>>> should. I don't know if this will make a bit of difference to anyone 
>>>> reading this, but we're working hard, and we truly give a shit about our 
>>>> customers and what we're working on.
>>>>
>>>> In any case, as I said, if people are upset about it, feel free to 
>>>> reach out to me directly. I'm the CEO and I'm the responsible party for 
>>>> these decisions, not Jack.
>>>>
>>>> -Daniel Pasco, CEO
>>>> Black Pixel
>>>>
>>>> On May 27, 2012, at 4:46 AM, Christian Pleul <[email protected]> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> That support really sucks! Why did you guys ever bought this software...
>>>>
>>>> Christian
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> On 25.05.2012, at 23:26, "Jack (Black Pixel)" <[email protected]> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi - sorry for the delay in responding.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, I don't have any information to share regarding 1.7 
>>>> support.
>>>>
>>>> Jack
>>>>
>>>> the Versions team
>>>> versionsapp.com
>>>> @versionsapp 
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, May 18, 2012 10:19:24 AM UTC-7, William Chu wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> When is Subversion 1.7 support coming to Versions? It's become a real 
>>>>> hindrance and I've found myself gradually using Versions less and less 
>>>>> given this limitation.
>>>>
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