Tony, and Don.....both you guys got to much "personality" to be commercial tyers. With very few exceptions, (A.K. being one), i've found that most all the commercial tyers i've met.....just somewho ended up the fly tyin' assembly line......but it may have been in any "factory" where they ended up. They just got those kinna personalities, where they can do the same thing over and over and over and over...........you get the picture. Frickin' BBBOOORRRIIINNNGGG!!!!!!! Some people can hack it......and seems most of them also know how to live on nothin'..................cause that's what a commercial fly tyers makes, NOTHIN"!
i did a little bit of it, and at $9 a dozen, (which is pretty much the standard rate payed), you don't make SQUAT! Nothin' wrong with side income................but you aint gonna do nothin' but spend it right back in the fly shop, LMAO! Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 04:45:53 -0800 From: bambot...@yahoo.com Subject: [VFB] Re: Production Fly Tying for a living To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Don, You hit the nail on the head, I tied for shops and resorts for four years, It can be a hassle. You have to be a person willing to spend the time at the vise and be able to live with it. Personally I burned out to the point that I really don't do a lot of tying now. My best time was a dozen wollybuggers in 45 minuets if I had everything set up beforehand. Tony --- On Sat, 11/14/09, Don Ordes <f...@tribcsp.com> wrote: From: Don Ordes <f...@tribcsp.com> Subject: [VFB] Re: Production Fly Tying for a living To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 9:50 PM Jimmy, I tied commercially - in the loooong ago past- for a short time. Very Major YUK! For a professional tier, tying time is only a portion of the time invested. It depends on how efficient you are, how well planned your set-up time is, your tying facilities, etc. If you can be efficient in all these things, the %age of overhead services will be smaller. There's accounting, book-keeping, account payable, accounts receeivable, bill collecting, sales, purchasing & problems with supplies/suppliers, materials handling and control, shipping, etc. One thing commercial tiers had was a huge box of waste necks with unuseable feathers. Take all the hats any business owner wears and the professional tier has to wear them at some time. I estimated with all of the time invested besides tying, the actual realistic production time (tying) was about 50% getting started, and once the bugs got worked out, about 70%. If you don't pay attention to the support functions, it will fail. If you pay for the services, it comes right off the top. Competition from overseas tying has make commercial tying here either starvation wages or hobby only. So factor these things in with your calculations. DonO ----- Original Message ----- From: Jimmy D. Moore To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 10:00 AM Subject: [VFB] Re: Production Fly Tying Book came Wow, that's 36,000 flies a year! He tie them all himself? If so, at my tying average speed of 2 minutes per fly, that translates into 2 X 36,000 = 72,000 minutes % 60 minutes / hr = 1,200 hours at the bench. 1,200 % 24 (hours in a day) = 50 days, if I tied 24 hours a day. Now, considering that I "run out of gas" after about 4 hours at the bench, this would mean that it'd take me 1,200 hours % 4 hours = 300 days to tie the 36,000. DUH! Ain't gonna happen !! :-P :-( :-D JIMMY D chuckalexan...@hughes.net wrote: Folks; i received my copy of Production Tying by AK Best today. Seems to be an awesome book. Can't wait to read it. The forward tells about how AK ties to sell over 3,000 DOZEN flies per YEAR. I can't even imagine that, Chuck Please see our fly fishing hand made furled leaders at: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/you_wear_it_well_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_ipgZ _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: I wanted simpler, now it's simpler. I'm a rock star. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?h=myidea?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_myidea:112009 --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
