Thanks. That's what I needed to know. Joyce On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Hans Weilenmann <hans.weilenm...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Joyce, > > The recipe shows the order. > > Tie in hackle at eye, touching turns of silk towards bend. Untwist and > split silk, insert a tiny amount of dubbing, and re-twist silk to run > towards eye first in open turn ribbing, and then touching turns for a > slender thorax. Wrap hackle away from eye towards the hanging silk, > trap hackle tip and continue cutting through hackle wraps to eye for > the whip finish. There is no dubbing under the hackle in the Badger & > Orange example. > > On other patterns there may be, and often is a twisting together of > hackle and split-thread-dubbed thread or just hackle/silk twisted > together as in the following examples: > > Olive Spider (variant) > Hook: Kamasan B175 #14 > Thread: Pearsall's Gossamer, yellow > Body: Tying silk - kept very short > Hackle: Hackle, dark olive - twisted together with tying thread before > wrapping > Head: Fluey barbs from base of hackle, dubbed onto thread > > Grizzly Spider (variant) > Hook: Kamasan B175 #14 > Thread: Benecchi 12/0, black > Body: Tying thread - kept very short > Hackle: Hackle, grizzly - twisted together with tying thread before > wrapping > > Note: With a nod and a wink in the Stewart's Black Spider direction > > Cheers, > Hans W > > > On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Joyce Westphal <westpha...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Thanks. That's exactly what I wanted to see. Do you leave a tag of the > tying > > silk at the back, to become the rib, or do you start at the eye of the > hook, > > go back to the body point between the barb and point of the fly, then > wind > > forward and then go back to the end of the body and using the single > twisted > > thread come back up for the rib? I don't see any dubbing at all under the > > hackle..is there some but just a little or is there none? Thanks. Joyce > > > > On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 2:07 AM, Hans Weilenmann < > hans.weilenm...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> Joyce, > >> > >> I tie a lot of spiders, or wingless wets as I mostly call them (other > >> names one might see are flymphs or softhackles) > >> > >> Some of the ones I tie (and fish) are classic established patterns, > >> others use more contemporary materials or techniques. > >> > >> Here is a typical example. Classic proportions, classic materials for > >> the most part, but contemporary technique: > >> > >> Badger & Orange > >> Hook: Kamasan B175 #14 > >> Thread: Pearsall's Gossamer, orange > >> Hackle: Hen, badger > >> Body: Tying silk > >> Rib: Fox squirrel, dyed light brown - in split thread, open turns > >> Thorax: Fox squirrel, dyed light brown - in split thread, touching turns > >> > >> Stacks more examples here: > >> http://www.danica.com/flytier/hweilenmann/hweilenmann.htm > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Hans > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 3:52 AM, Joyce Westphal <westpha...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > Thanks for the suggestions, but I did not make myself clear. I'm > talking > >> > about the English style soft hackle spider fly. On the internet I see > >> > some > >> > with the body starting at the point of the hook, others with it at the > >> > barb, > >> > and others with it starting somewhere in between. I'd like to make > them > >> > like > >> > true English style spiders. Joyce > >> > > >> > On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Don Ordes <f...@tribcsp.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Joyce- Just look on the web, you'll find one. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Oooooo, Buggs, that was bad. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> If you are tying a water spider, the key is to tie a slim > beetle-style > >> >> body with a fine-wire hook. It's lighter if you tie an extended foam > >> >> body > >> >> with a tuft of light parachute to make it settle down right-side up. > >> >> Depending on how much time you want to spend on the legs, you can > make > >> >> a > >> >> bent leg or knotted leg, but they need to suspend the body over the > >> >> water > >> >> and make the classic water-tension foot-prints in the water- hence > >> >> light fly > >> >> and floatant. > >> >> > >> >> If you are making a terrestrial, a black or tan spider has worked for > >> >> me- > >> >> dry or wet. > >> >> > >> >> Hook size, shape, shank length, etc. matters less than fly design, > as > >> >> the > >> >> hook has to allow the fly to do what it is intended to do. > >> >> > >> >> DonO > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: Joyce Westphal > >> >> To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com > >> >> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 5:49 PM > >> >> Subject: [VFB] re: help with spider type flies > >> >> I've been requested to tie some Spider flies..I need to know where > the > >> >> body starts..should it be over the barb or the point. If you tie > these > >> >> flies, or know how it should be done, kindly inform. Inquiring minds > >> >> want to > >> >> know and tie them correctly. Any tying hints are also welcome. 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