Hans, Can you email me off-list with your email addy? What i am using keeps bouncing.
dordes at bresnan dot net Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans Weilenmann" <hans.weilenm...@gmail.com> To: <vfb-mail@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] re: help with spider type flies Joyce, The recipe shows the order. Tie in hackle at eye, touching turns of silk towards bend. Untwist and split silk, insert a tiny amount of dubbing, and re-twist silk to run towards eye first in open turn ribbing, and then touching turns for a slender thorax. Wrap hackle away from eye towards the hanging silk, trap hackle tip and continue cutting through hackle wraps to eye for the whip finish. There is no dubbing under the hackle in the Badger & Orange example. On other patterns there may be, and often is a twisting together of hackle and split-thread-dubbed thread or just hackle/silk twisted together as in the following examples: Olive Spider (variant) Hook: Kamasan B175 #14 Thread: Pearsall's Gossamer, yellow Body: Tying silk - kept very short Hackle: Hackle, dark olive - twisted together with tying thread before wrapping Head: Fluey barbs from base of hackle, dubbed onto thread Grizzly Spider (variant) Hook: Kamasan B175 #14 Thread: Benecchi 12/0, black Body: Tying thread - kept very short Hackle: Hackle, grizzly - twisted together with tying thread before wrapping Note: With a nod and a wink in the Stewart's Black Spider direction Cheers, Hans W On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Joyce Westphal <westpha...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks. That's exactly what I wanted to see. Do you leave a tag of the > tying > silk at the back, to become the rib, or do you start at the eye of the > hook, > go back to the body point between the barb and point of the fly, then wind > forward and then go back to the end of the body and using the single > twisted > thread come back up for the rib? I don't see any dubbing at all under the > hackle..is there some but just a little or is there none? Thanks. Joyce > > On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 2:07 AM, Hans Weilenmann > <hans.weilenm...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Joyce, >> >> I tie a lot of spiders, or wingless wets as I mostly call them (other >> names one might see are flymphs or softhackles) >> >> Some of the ones I tie (and fish) are classic established patterns, >> others use more contemporary materials or techniques. >> >> Here is a typical example. Classic proportions, classic materials for >> the most part, but contemporary technique: >> >> Badger & Orange >> Hook: Kamasan B175 #14 >> Thread: Pearsall's Gossamer, orange >> Hackle: Hen, badger >> Body: Tying silk >> Rib: Fox squirrel, dyed light brown - in split thread, open turns >> Thorax: Fox squirrel, dyed light brown - in split thread, touching turns >> >> Stacks more examples here: >> http://www.danica.com/flytier/hweilenmann/hweilenmann.htm >> >> Cheers, >> Hans >> >> >> On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 3:52 AM, Joyce Westphal <westpha...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > Thanks for the suggestions, but I did not make myself clear. I'm >> > talking >> > about the English style soft hackle spider fly. On the internet I see >> > some >> > with the body starting at the point of the hook, others with it at the >> > barb, >> > and others with it starting somewhere in between. I'd like to make them >> > like >> > true English style spiders. Joyce >> > >> > On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Don Ordes <f...@tribcsp.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Joyce- Just look on the web, you'll find one. >> >> >> >> >> >> Oooooo, Buggs, that was bad. >> >> >> >> >> >> If you are tying a water spider, the key is to tie a slim beetle-style >> >> body with a fine-wire hook. It's lighter if you tie an extended foam >> >> body >> >> with a tuft of light parachute to make it settle down right-side up. >> >> Depending on how much time you want to spend on the legs, you can make >> >> a >> >> bent leg or knotted leg, but they need to suspend the body over the >> >> water >> >> and make the classic water-tension foot-prints in the water- hence >> >> light fly >> >> and floatant. >> >> >> >> If you are making a terrestrial, a black or tan spider has worked for >> >> me- >> >> dry or wet. >> >> >> >> Hook size, shape, shank length, etc. matters less than fly design, as >> >> the >> >> hook has to allow the fly to do what it is intended to do. >> >> >> >> DonO >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: Joyce Westphal >> >> To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com >> >> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 5:49 PM >> >> Subject: [VFB] re: help with spider type flies >> >> I've been requested to tie some Spider flies..I need to know where the >> >> body starts..should it be over the barb or the point. If you tie these >> >> flies, or know how it should be done, kindly inform. Inquiring minds >> >> want to >> >> know and tie them correctly. Any tying hints are also welcome. 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