Yeah, money, money, money... Always the bottom line in business... And yeah, 
the 14/0 is heavier than the 10/0. The 14/0 feels about like my Danville 8/0 or 
6/0. Chuck

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  From: Anthony Spezio 
  To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 3:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [VFB] How does jig thread compare in diameter with 6/0 or 3/0?


        They still make tons of thread but not all  for tying. My contact there 
said they did not have enough sales for Fly Tying thread is why they dropped 
the Pro staff and got out of tying materials . Tying thread is waxed, sewing 
thread is not waxed. They also make a load of medical materials. Making thread 
for tyers was not economical. Money is the big thing. I have been told they are 
making tying thread for Orvis under contract.
        The reason you can use 14/0 over 10/0 is the 14/0 is a heavier thread. 
You can't go by the number.
        Tony

        --- On Tue, 3/2/10, Chuck Alexander <chuckalexan...@hughes.net> wrote:


          From: Chuck Alexander <chuckalexan...@hughes.net>
          Subject: Re: [VFB] How does jig thread compare in diameter with 6/0 
or 3/0?
          To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
          Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 2:29 PM


          I wish thread companies would all go to the denier system. You're 
right. I can't hardly tie using Guderbrod 10/0, cause it's soo tiny, but I have 
no problems with the Griffin's 14/0. Something else that's weird (to me anyway) 
about Guderbrod. They STILL make TONS of thread (unless they JUST stopped)  My 
wife worked at the sewing factory near here and they use Guderbrod thread to 
make ALL the high dollar Jos A Bank  men's dress suits.

            ----- Original Message ----- 
            From: Anthony Spezio 
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            Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 4:41 PM
            Subject: Re: [VFB] How does jig thread compare in diameter with 6/0 
or 3/0?


                  Not all the same numbers are the same size. For example, the 
Gudebrod 10/0 was thinner that the 14/0, I think it was an Italian thread. U 
hear the 10/0 us being exclusively made for Orvis. For me, it was the best 
thread I have tied with.
                  Tony

                  --- On Mon, 3/1/10, Allan Fish <afi...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:


                    From: Allan Fish <afi...@sbcglobal.net>
                    Subject: Re: [VFB] How does jig thread compare in diameter 
with 6/0 or 3/0?
                    To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
                    Date: Monday, March 1, 2010, 8:33 AM


                    > A quick question.  Thanks.
                    > 
                    > How does jig thread compare in diameter with 6/0 or 3/0? 
The link goes to a page selling jig thread which mentions it is a size A. Size 
A is supposed to be fine (not heavy), but how does it compare in diameter to 
6/0 or 3/0 tying thread?

                    The word "fine" is what throws you off.  It's "Fine" for 
rod building thread.  But it's several times the diameter of 3/0 thread.

                    Put in simple terms, it's much heavier than fly tying 
thread.   Well, maybe it's about the size of the Kevlar thread that's used for 
tying deer hair.

                    I'm glad to see that we are starting to use actual 
measurements (70 denier, 140 denier, etc.) instead of letters.  When we use 
thread designations of 3/0, 8/0, A, D, etc., we're still working in confusion 
like we were back in the days of  "HGH" designations for fly lines.

                    a.
                    -- Allan Fish
                    Greenwood, IN
                    afi...@sbcglobal.net

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