Rights to the fly was what he thought I meant from the start but then it didn't matter how many times I pointed out that it was the rights to the PICTURE... he just couldn't let go of his patent ID request. Now I have that photo with a waterstamp on my page and am about to do the same with the rest of the photos there. (This was just a part of the work to clean out the other ones.) If THAT photo had been the one uploaded I wouldn't have cared (and I told the admin that too)... and I even asked if replacing was possible myself. I also said that I still had the original photo, taken 2007, full resolution, totally unedited/unresized/uncropped (including a bit of my tying room wall) if he had any doubts. Did he care to ask me for it? No, he still demanded a patent number.
Funny fact... if you can call it 'funny': When it was uploaded 2011, a forum topic started, with the picture and a link to the pattern database (automatically generated I guess). The user immediately posted and said that *he hadn't uploaded it*... someone must have uploaded it with his user name and *he asked admin to remove it*... but it wasn't removed. The even more funny(?) fact. As I linked to this forum topic (twice) in last night's discussion *the admin could see that other user saying it wasn't his and requesting to have it removed!!!* But still the only thing removed is user Runarsson's rights to use the forum. http://www.flytyingforum.com/index.php?showtopic=63177&hl=%2Bemerger+%2Bbuzzer I never had any complaints against the forum. FTF wasn't the one uploading. I just asked for help. I wish I had started my discussion on open forum instead, so people could have seen him refuse to remove my pic, seen who was the polite part of the conversation and finally seen him put an end to the conversation (and all my other FTF conversations) with a simple "*Your done bud....bye, Welcome to USA*" ... or maybe he wouldn't have in front of all the others. On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Scott Bearden <scott.bear...@gmail.com> wrote: > Consider water marking your photos with your website or company name and > copyright year. I was always told that in the world of flies you can > copyright a fly by name but not really patent one. All it would take is > someone to change one material or change the quantity or size in a material > used. Tie it in another sequence, color, etc and the patent is useless. But > your picture is your picture and the laws are a little more straight > forward in regards to pictures. Watermark them so that if someone does link > to your server as they have done in the past or outright download the > images and then upload them somewhere else that there is at least a visual > clue to the reader what is really going on. You are due fair credit for > creation of those flies and there should be some ethics on the part of the > forum in question in giving and ensuring due credit is given. Now if > someone ties and photographs say an old but publicly known fly then the > credit to the pattern should go to the originator and the credit for the > photo (and tyer) should go to that individual. Please note that if you post > pictures to social media (including said forum) that generally in the fine > print you can find some legalese that claims ownership of everything you > post including pictures. Some media companies scour social networks for > original artwork to use in magazines, websites, etc. So be careful what you > post online because unless you own the server there is a good chance that > you don't own what you post there. And if set to publicly available, if may > even be interpreted as public domain. I can tell you without a doubt that > Facebook, twitter, etc all claim ownership over what you upload whether you > delete it or not (they don't really delete anything, just hide it). I think > we may find some humor and plenty of fodder for people seeking public > office, especially 20 - 30 years from now when many people don't take what > they post online very seriously. This is still the early days of social > media. I will say that Facebook does provide provisions on how to handle > theft of copyrighted material including words and photos, but you must > prove that you are the rightful owner. Nobody but you can file a claim. > YouTube has the same mechanisms and probably a few others. > > I once used the Chilipepper and a picture from Tony's vise of one he tied > in a newsletter but I attributed both the pattern and photo to him. I think > it is important to society to give credit where it is due. > > Scott > > On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 12:37 AM Neville Gosling <nev.gosl...@shaw.ca> > wrote: > >> Nick: >> >> There is strength in numbers and if it is indeed the flytyingforum.com >> we could ask the VFB members individually to e-mail the administrator and >> tell him as Wes suggests to “Cease & Desist” displaying your photograph >> without your permission. I now place a copyright symbol on my photos >> together with my name. They can still crop it out or photoshop it, but each >> photo normally has metadata attached to it which should include the >> original creation date and camera used. >> >> Neville (Nev) Gosling >> >> >> On Jul 27, 2015, at 7:42 PM, Niclas (Gmail) <n.runars...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Doesn't really matter now. I got banned for thinking that I still owned >> the riights to my photo... :( >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 4:31 AM, Neville Gosling <nev.gosl...@shaw.ca> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Nick: >>> >>> I’m guessing that you are referring to the flytyingforum.com that also >>> has a fly pattern database that patterns may be uploaded to? >>> >>> >>> >>> Neville (Nev) Gosling >>> Greater Vancouver >>> BC Canada >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jul 27, 2015, at 6:42 PM, Niclas (Gmail) <n.runars...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> So, guys - here's one for you... >>> >>> Background: >>> I'm getting tired of people posting my flies and stating that they are >>> their own. The more flies with different owners showing up in picture >>> searchs makes the ownership of the material on my own website unclear. >>> I know what copyright is about and until today I thought it was the same >>> "over there" but on a certain discussion forum where you also can upload >>> patterns to a pattern database I ran into a brick wall. The discussion with >>> the administrator has been ridiculous But as an administrator I'd like to >>> assume that he should have some knowledge about rules and laws... and since >>> he's not bending one inch (and getting more and more rude), it's not that I >>> start to wonder if I'm wrong myself. >>> >>> Someone else has used a photo (taken by myself) from my site and used it >>> for uploading a pattern in the forum's pattern database. First he thought I >>> meant that it was my pattern and he wanted to see a patent ID. I explained >>> that the pattern was beside the point and that it was the picture that was >>> the issue. I think I got that through. But he's still wants to see a patent >>> ID to remove it "or stop wasting his time because I'm bringing up shit that >>> noone but I even care about". >>> >>> Question: >>> Is copyright different in US. 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