Rene, You've hit the right technique for very clean, well defined segments. That "dubbing from hell" that Bob sent had to be done that way, plus done so that then ends overlapped. The more linear the material, the cleaner the segments will be- the more random the fibers, the bushier or fuzzier it can be. DonO
----- Original Message ----- From: Rene Zillmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Don O's Rope Dubbing Techniques DonO, I discovered the same with my SLF. I was able to rope it, but if I tried to make the fibers linear it was easier. I used the following procedure: Take a smal lump of dubbing and pull at both ends like making a noodle. Than fold it in the middle and repeat the pull. Repeating this several times sorts the fibers in a parallel manner. Dubbing prepared in this way roped eaier - at least for me. I guess you can describe this better and have - for sure - the better procedure. Roping in Germany Rene -----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Don Ordes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Datum: Samstag, 29. Dezember 2001 21:24 Betreff: Re: [VFB] Don O's Rope Dubbing Techniques >Bob, >If you want to drive people insane, give them this stuff to rope! The key >is getting the fibers linear and overlapping. Once you do that, you can >rope the fly hairy, fuzzy, or clean. I'll send some photos. >DonO > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bob Haering <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 1:12 PM >Subject: Re: [VFB] Don O's Rope Dubbing Techniques > > >> So DonO you going to tell me how to do it? I did warn you that it was >some >> nasty stuff! >> >> Bob H >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Don Ordes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 12:48 PM >> Subject: Re: [VFB] Don O's Rope Dubbing Techniques >> >> >> > I've been able to rope everything so far, even that God-awful stuff Bob >> sent >> > me. >> > Learning the fundamentals is easy with those you mentioned, then >graduate >> to >> > naturals and tuff stuffs. >> > DonO >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Bud Cragar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 8:48 AM >> > Subject: Re: [VFB] Don O's Rope Dubbing Techniques >> > >> > >> > > Don, >> > > >> > > I've been rope dubbing with ice dub. What are the requirements for a >dub >> > > that will work with your method? >> > > >> > > I assume that the dubbing materials must have long fibers. I see that >> you >> > > use squirrel brite and SLF. Any others? I've never used either of >these. >> > > >> > > Thanks, >> > > >> > > Bud >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: Don Ordes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 9:46 AM >> > > Subject: Re: [VFB] Don O's Rope Dubbing Techniques >> > > >> > > >> > > > Rene, >> > > > >> > > > If you usually rib counter to the body wrap, you were probably >looking >> > for >> > > > durability in that the rib was stronger then the body material and >> kept >> > > the >> > > > cut material ends from unwrapping. When rope-dubbing, especially on >a >> > > wire >> > > > core, this is not a great threat. >> > > > So if you want to gold rib a Gold-ribbed Hare's Ear, then just rib >> with >> > > the >> > > > direction of the segments, and between the segments. If ribbing >with >> > > > tinsel, the segments will help protect the ribbing from being cut by >a >> > > > tooth. Just tie your ribbing on when you tie your dubbing tip to the >> > hook. >> > > > The end result is still true to pattern, and tough. >> > > > >> > > > Ribbing with wire ( or clear mono) can also give you a few >variations >> if >> > > you >> > > > tie in other materials at the bend. If you tie on a shell-back, you >> can >> > > > pull it forwards over the tail and rib over it for a shiny ribbed >> > stonefly >> > > > look theat still sports the fuzzy belly. Or tie a piece of white >> floss >> > on >> > > > and make a white central line up the fly tail, and ribbing it in >> place. >> > > > >> > > > Try roping both a black and an orange rope tied in at the back. Do >a >> > > > cross-weave with the black on back. You'll get a fuzzy segmented >> > > > over-'n-under stonefly body like a bitch creek. Many possibilities >> here >> > > > too. >> > > > >> > > > Just a few ideas humbly submitted for your approval. >> > > > >> > > > DonO >> > > > >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > > From: Rene Zillmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 10:38 AM >> > > > Subject: Re: [VFB] Don O's Rope Dubbing Techniques >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Don, dd and others, >> > > > > this discussion was very informative for me. Thanks again. >> > > > > I rope-dubbed some flies with it and came to one issue. If I rope >> the >> > > dub >> > > > > very tight I run in problems with the ribbing material. I usually >> rib >> > > > > counterclockwise (opposite to the tying direction). As the rib >> cannot >> > go >> > > > > into the dub it slips. Recommendations? Or simply: No rope-dub if >> > > > ribbing.. >> > > > > Regards >> > > > > Rene/Germany >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >
