Re: You can't save Internet Freedom by taking it away [was: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Lobbyists Trying to Destroy Internet Freedom?]

[Ron Watson]

I guess what I'm trying to say is that there must be a better way to stop a Tiered Internet (than having governments regulate it). That is a total false dichotomy. That was the intent, the main idea, of that Astroturf propaganda.   If we start the conversation with those choices it is a gimme for the communications cartel.  This piece was a classic right wing narrative: meddling big government standing in the way of private innovation. All of us on this list know the reality: power hungry communications cartel seeks to control the internet through controlling the flow of information.  It is a statement of the power of that narrative that you chose that false dichotomy to start your note. That video played on your fears and made the  issue about government regulation instead of private power.  That, guys, is how Conservatives win elections.  Ron On May 18, 2006, at 2:12 AM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: Hello, I guess what I'm trying to say is that there must be a better way to stop a Tiered Internet (than having governments regulate it). For example... Let's get rid of the laws that prevent cities from setting up free wireless networks. Do the phone and cable companies have government granted monopolies?... let's get the government to take those monopolies away. Help create grassroots (Wi-Fi based) wireless networks.  (There's probably one it your area you could join.) This crap -- this tiered Internet -- that the telcos and cable companies are trying to create may be a great motivator for change.  Maybe there will be motivation to create new broadband wireless technology (like WiMax but on unregulated bands) that will help form a new super high speed wireless Internet that will be formed by regular people, like today's free grassroots (Wi-Fi based) wireless networks. Like I already said... I'm worried that people's fears about the Internet being Tiered will put in place laws for the Internet as bad or worse than the USA PATRIOT Act.  And I'm worried that we'll loose much much more freedom by having laws put in place which are suppose to protect our freedom. See ya On 5/17/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello Enric, I've been thinking about the whole Tiered Internet thing alot.  (Yeah, I know people are calling it Net Neutrality now.)  And even talked about it with friends and colleagues. And I think there are 2 things that I want.... #1: I do NOT want websites to have to pay ISPs for access to us. #2: I do NOT want any government to regulate the Internet. While I was talking/arguing about the Tiered Internet, with a friend, he mentioned a saying... the road to hell is paved with good intentions.  (Although it may not seem obvious of intuitive, I believe this saying is equivalent to the saying... the ends do not justify the means.) Mass hysteria and fear like this brought us the abomination known as the USA PATRIOT Act -- http://www.eff.org/patriot/ I do NOT want to see a law like that applied to the Internet. I'm worried that people's fears about the Internet being Tiered will put in place laws for the Internet as bad or worse than the USA PATRIOT Act.  I'm worried that we'll loose much much more freedom by having laws put in place which are suppose to protect our freedom. So while I think that video at dontregulate.org is a bunch of astroturf -- fake grassroots stuff.  And I think the stuff about having websites have to pay ISP "protection money" is a bunch of bullshit.  I agree that governments should stay out of it and not try to regulate the Internet. See ya On 5/17/06, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: Obfuscation: http://www.dontregulate.org/ http://www.handsoff.org/     -- Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Melanie Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > For those who don't know, there's a page on the Save the Internet site > with banners you can put on your sites > ( http://www.savetheinternet.com/=swag). There's even a YouTube video > explaining the Net Neutrality issue. All the code is there to just drop > into your posts, etc. > > I posted the video and banners to my site > (http://newmediacollective.org) a couple of days ago. I just hope it > helps. > > Melanie > > > The New Media Collective > It's a WE thing! > http://newmediacollective.org > > Join the discussion! > http://groups.google.com/group/thenewmediacollective > --     Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.     charles @ reptile.ca     supercanadian @ gmail.com     developer weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/ ___________________________________________________________________________  Make Television                                http://maketelevision.com/ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS  Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web.    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Typepad Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS  Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web.    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.