You can submit a DMCA counter notice for the media to put back up at
the service provider.  ChillingEffects.org has a web counter notice
builder:

http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca/counter512.pdf

  -- Enric

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, El Destiny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> YouTube -- and now Flickr.  (Which is owned by
> Yahoo...)  A bogus DMCA threat scared Yahoo! into
> removing images from Flickr.  
> 
>
http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/02/13/is-yahoo-flickr-dmca-policy-censorship/
> 
> Even though the uploader notified Flickr that the
> image was wrongfully removed, Flickr never restored
> it.  And they also permanently deleted all the
> comments users had left.  
> 
> > What I'd love to see is a set of principles that
> > govern this new user generated reality... 
> 
> Corporations are powerful.  I think the services don't
> feel they'll experience the same level of pressure
> from their users.  (And corporations also don't fear
> any organized user backlash.)  
> 
> I'm just putting this out there:  is there an easy way
> to organize online users to send a simple, clear, and
> direct message to hosting services (and the
> corporations that threaten them)?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Kent Nichols <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Right that's exactly the problem.
> > 
> > We talk a lot about rights and such, but all of that
> > is built on these
> > crappy TOS agreements.  Even if you own your own
> > site, you're still at
> > the mercy of the ISPs up the chain of command.
> > 
> > Your speech is only as free as it's convenient to
> > corporate structure
> > that hosts it.
> > 
> > Web 1.0 was more about setting up a static site,
> > staking your little
> > claim on the net and building traffic, etc.
> > 
> > Web 2.0 changes the equation because the people are
> > the value. 
> > YouTube is based on a $20 shareware script, the
> > value came from the
> > people there.  Same with MySpace.
> > 
> > But the legal structures and way of thinking have
> > not caught up to
> > this change.  There's a million little fiefdoms. 
> > And your rights are
> > different each site you go to.
> > 
> > What I'd love to see is a set of principles that
> > govern this new user
> > generated reality that gives we the users basic
> > rights wherever we go.
> > 
> > That's a huge shift from where we are right now, and
> > it will take a
> > lot of work to get there.  But I'm afraid if we
> > don't tackle this
> > area, the door for new voices that has been opened a
> > crack will get
> > slammed shut by the media monopolies.
> > 
> > -Kent, askaninja.com
> > 
> > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Steve
> > Watkins" <steve@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Im not looking to put anybody off this sort of
> > action, but I think the
> > > arbitrary acceptable use policy stuff is an
> > internet-wide problem. To
> > > cover themselves, just about every hosting service
> > Ive ever seen has
> > > terms and conditions about what content is
> > acceptable, and many of the
> > > terms are vague. 
> > > 
> > > People certainly should draw attention to services
> > which are
> > > trigger-happy about removing stuff without good
> > cause. Youtube are
> > > likely to show up as an offender a lot because of
> > their sheer size,
> > > and as I sepculated earlier, they may be trying to
> > save themselves
> > > from copyright lawsuits, but doing it in a way
> > that also removes some
> > > legitimate content, and this is not good or nice
> > to their users for
> > > them to be so careless. I know Richard Bluestein
> > called for a boycott
> > > on youtube because he was banned and though it was
> > due to being gay or
> > > hosting gay content, whereas after some research I
> > thought it was more
> > > likely because some trailers he uploaded had lots
> > of naked breasts,
> > > and western society doesnt mind exploiting breasts
> > for profit but the
> > > mainstream has a nipple phobia.
> > > 
> > > So anyway theoretically most services are flawed
> > in the sense that
> > > almost anybody could find their content falling
> > foul of the terms &
> > > conditions, even if their content is innocent
> > enough, and as far as I
> > > know the services dont even have an obligation to
> > contact people who
> > > are banned and explian exactly why. I think legal
> > issues will stop
> > > terms & conditions from changing that much, so the
> > best we can hope
> > > for is that in practice many services are careful,
> > think of their
> > > users, engage in dialogue and careful checking of
> > material before
> > > hitting the big red delete button. Whatever the
> > reasons behind
> > > youtubes removal of the content in this case, its
> > certainly sloppy and
> > > shows no sense of responsibility to users who
> > upload legitimate videos.
> > > 
> > > As for the grey area where content might actually
> > be deemed offensive
> > > or innapropriate, offends certain people, causes a
> > stink and gets
> > > banned, I guess those involved in any way with sex
> > or porn side of
> > > video have experience of this sort of thing. Even
> > companies that
> > > appear to have enlightened attitude towards such
> > things, may change
> > > policy at any time and suddenly crackdown on such
> > content. 
> > > 
> > > Cheers
> > > 
> > > Steve Elbows
> > > 
> > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Tony"
> > <kd1s@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In light of YouTube/Google's treatment of Nick
> > Gisburne I've removed
> > > > all my videos on YouTube and also am in the
> > process of removing my
> > > > blogger page. To hell with YouTube and Google
> > and their arbitrary
> > > > acceptable use policies. 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Kent
> > Nichols"
> > > > <digitalfilmmaker@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > That really sucks man.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I think the stuff we're working on with
> > MySpace ties in directly
> > with
> > > > > situations like this -- site proclaming to be
> > open and community
> > > > > based, but are just fronts for corporate
> > interests.
> > > > > 
> > > > > And if you cross one of their arbitrary lines
> > set fourth in their
> > > > > constantly evolving Terms of Use they can
> > cancel you, or filter
> > > you out.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I think that's the next fight -- establishing
> > what is public
> > space and
> > > > > who "owns" it and what users rights are in
> > this new user generated
> > > > > reality.
> > > > > 
> > > > > -Kent, askaninja.com
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Gary
> > Rosenzweig" <rosenz@>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I tried to log on to our YouTube account
> > today and got the message
> > > > "Your
> > > > > > account has now been permanently disabled."
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > It was our Daily Vlog account, which is a
> > 5-minute-per-day vlog
> > > > from the
> > > > > > office. Pure vlog -- just us talking about
> > various topics.
> > Couldn't
> > > > > possibly
> > > > > > be anything there they want to shut down, we
> > don't even deal with
> > > > > sensitive
> > > > > > issues. Usually we talk about our lives, or
> > what's going on in
> > > > > entertainment
> > > > > > or tech. And there certainly can't be any
> > intellectual property
> > > > issues,
> > > > > > unless someone patented "having a
> > conversation on a sofa" and I am
> > > > > not aware
> > > > > > of it.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > You can see for yourself what the daily vlog
> > is about by
> > checking it
> > > > > out at
> > > > > > http://thedailyvlog.com. You can see there
> > is no reason why
> > YouTube
> > > > > would
> > > > > > want it removed.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Anyone else had this happen to them? I'm
> > certainly 
> === message truncated ===
> 
> 
> 
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