Here's a scenario: two libraries are identified as owning only extant copies of a particular documentary or feature (on vhs) in the U.S. and you can't see the value of the project?
By the way: The in-building only stricture of 108 is such a load of crap that I can't see ANYONE in his or her right mind adhering to it. The chances of getting busted for letting a faculty person classroom screen a DVD copy made under the provisions of 108 are pretty slim. g. PS: The Mellon project is going to be developing careful procedures for identifying those titles that clearly qualify for duplication under 108...including, if necessary, identifying and contacting rights holders. > Well then I will take the use of the word preservation more literally and > less archivally, however if it only involves copying those deteriorating > VHS to Digital.Since the"preservation" copy that can't leave the library > premise I honestly don't know why one would need an entire project for it. > Under this scenerio it would in fact be irrelevant if say 5 libraries > owned > the same out of print film on VHS. If it was in fact detiorating , each > makes its own "preservation" copy that does not leave the library. > > You will excuse my cynicism, but when again a major force in that project > tells librarians to NOT contact rights holders I get a little testy, > especially when they present the project as one of "preservation". > > On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 12:50 PM, <ghand...@library.berkeley.edu> wrote: > >> We're talking about keeping stuff alive for use in working collections, >> Jessica. Not David Shepard territory. >> >> g. >> >> >> >> >> > Well re section 108. If you have that deteriorating VHS you can't >> replace >> > and do a transfer, it can't leave the library My argument was with >> the >> > "preservation' of said material. If you are just transferring it than >> it >> > is >> > not preservation , at least not in the way I think of it. If you are >> > actually spending money to do a preservation it would be insane to do >> this >> > without the copyright holders permission (if you can find them) and >> > checking >> > if the material exists beyond the US. Again this topic came up and >> > someone >> > did mention some French shorts that were held by a library, I know for >> a >> > fact those shorts are preserved in France and copyright protected so >> > spending any money on them and actually telling librarians NOT to >> check >> > with rights holder, which this person did is stupid and could lead to >> a >> > mess >> > of legal trouble assuming you ever want the "preserved" material to >> leave >> > the library. >> > >> > FYI the imdb link did not come up for me so I could not tell which >> > version. >> > >> > On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 12:21 PM, <ghand...@library.berkeley.edu> >> wrote: >> > >> >> ah what would I do without my daily Jessica annoyance. >> >> >> >> The Berlin Alexanderplatz on the list is the one directed by Phil >> Jutzi >> >> (1931)...not the 1980 TV series (on Criterion) >> >> >> >> The Leopard, you're right...we have the DVD and it shouldn't be on >> the >> >> list. >> >> >> >> I've included IMDB listings to distinguish the versions. The Uncle >> Tom >> >> in >> >> question is the (really horrible) one directed Géza von Radványi >> (France >> >> | >> >> Italy | West Germany | Yugoslavia, 1965). The Jekyll/Hyde is Herbert >> >> Brenon's 1913 version. So, you see, I DO know what I'm doing >> >> (generally) >> >> >> >> The NYU project is very likely going to focus primarily on >> >> non-theatrical >> >> titles. Jessica: The only difference between out of distribution >> >> feature >> >> films and out of distribution non-theatrical works from an >> archivist's >> >> perspective is the fact that the owners of the latter almost always >> have >> >> more economic clout and wherewithall to challenge efforts to >> >> preserve/conserve. >> >> >> >> Section 108 of the copyright law makes no distinction whatsoever >> between >> >> features and others. >> >> >> >> gary >> >> >> >> >> >> > Gary >> >> > I looked at this list VERY quickly and there are two obvious >> mistakes. >> >> The >> >> > Leopard & Berlin Alexanderplatz are both on DVD from Criterion >> >> > There many others where I am not sure which version you are looking >> >> for, >> >> > say >> >> > Uncle Tom's Cabin, Dr. Jeckyl. On Genesis is that is the African >> >> feature, >> >> > Kino has it. >> >> > >> >> > I am less than certain how "good" the NYU project is as there is >> HUGE >> >> > difference between some very rare educational type films that are >> not >> >> DVD >> >> > and >> >> > studio, indie & foreign films that are not. I had my little >> >> > "disagreement" >> >> > with one the main people behind this , who told a session at ALA >> that >> >> one >> >> > should NOT contact the rights holder regarding the rights because >> they >> >> > might >> >> > actually say no, therefor the goal was merely to establish that the >> >> item >> >> > was >> >> > rare and not available and the rights were irrelevant. Not only is >> >> that a >> >> > deliberate attempt to violate copyright but would lead to an >> >> incredibly >> >> > stupid waste of resources. Why in the world would a US library >> >> "preserve" >> >> > some early french short already archival preserved in their home >> >> country >> >> ( >> >> > and this was actually one item that was mentioned at said ALA >> >> session). >> >> > >> >> > On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 11:35 AM, <ghand...@library.berkeley.edu> >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Hi all >> >> >> >> >> >> I think I mentioned awhile back the interesting Mellon funded >> grant >> >> >> project that NYU and UCB are currently working on... It's a >> >> >> preservation >> >> >> project aimed at identifying (and dealing with) video titles that >> are >> >> >> out-of-distribution and physically at risk (particularly titles >> that >> >> >> have >> >> >> limited US holdings) >> >> >> >> >> >> In any case, as part of this project, I just culled thru >> Berkeley's >> >> >> feature film holdings and identified the vhs titles that are not >> >> >> currently >> >> >> available on DVD in the US marketplace. The list, fyi, is >> attached. >> >> >> >> >> >> A few caveats: We haven't as yet done an extensive search for >> >> >> legal-copy >> >> >> DVD replacements in the OP marketplace (e.g. amazon marketplace), >> nor >> >> >> have >> >> >> we searched non-US sources at this point. This is just a quick >> first >> >> >> pass. >> >> >> The list also does not, at the moment, include stuff such as >> shorts >> >> >> (silents, avant garde, animation etc.)that are currently only >> >> available >> >> >> on >> >> >> VHS anthologies. >> >> >> >> >> >> PS: Chris Lewis...weren't you maintaining a list of titles that >> had >> >> >> never >> >> >> been released on DVD? If so, could you pls publish the list. >> Merci! >> >> >> >> >> >> Gary Handman >> >> >> Director >> >> >> Media Resources Center >> >> >> Moffitt Library >> >> >> UC Berkeley >> >> >> >> >> >> 510-643-8566 >> >> >> ghand...@library.berkeley.edu >> >> >> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC >> >> >> >> >> >> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself." >> >> >> --Francois Truffaut >> >> >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion >> of >> >> >> issues >> >> >> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic >> >> >> control, >> >> >> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in >> >> libraries >> >> >> and >> >> >> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an >> >> >> effective >> >> >> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of >> >> communication >> >> >> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers >> and >> >> >> distributors. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion >> of >> >> > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, >> >> acquisition,bibliographic >> >> > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video >> formats >> >> in >> >> > libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will >> >> serve >> >> > as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a >> >> channel >> >> of >> >> > communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video >> >> > producers and distributors. >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Gary Handman >> >> Director >> >> Media Resources Center >> >> Moffitt Library >> >> UC Berkeley >> >> >> >> 510-643-8566 >> >> ghand...@library.berkeley.edu >> >> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC >> >> >> >> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself." >> >> --Francois Truffaut >> >> >> >> >> >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >> >> issues >> >> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic >> >> control, >> >> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in >> libraries >> >> and >> >> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an >> >> effective >> >> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of >> communication >> >> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and >> >> distributors. >> >> >> > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >> > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, >> acquisition,bibliographic >> > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats >> in >> > libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will >> serve >> > as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a >> channel >> of >> > communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video >> > producers and distributors. >> > >> >> >> Gary Handman >> Director >> Media Resources Center >> Moffitt Library >> UC Berkeley >> >> 510-643-8566 >> ghand...@library.berkeley.edu >> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC >> >> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself." >> --Francois Truffaut >> >> >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >> issues >> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic >> control, >> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries >> and >> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an >> effective >> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication >> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and >> distributors. >> > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in > libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve > as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of > communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video > producers and distributors. > Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself." --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
