Jessica, I think we all understand by now that, within the law, there's no free upgrade to much of anything, right? That wasn't my point---I merely was commenting that, no matter what technology's available for viewing film or tape, that technology, itself may likely contribute to loss. No frustration, just fact.
On 9/21/11 5:25 PM, "Jessica Rosner" <jessicapros...@gmail.com> wrote: >Standard wear and tear has always been an issue, even with books. I >understand the frustration but there is no free upgrade to easiest to >use formats. Even though a few libraries have tried you don't get to >scan books and put them on line which would also save on wear and tear >and make them much more accessible. > >On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Grant, Tyra <tgr...@ku.edu> wrote: >> And then what about the fact that playback equipment itself will cause >> wear and can easily damage film or tape---especially since we're now >>more >> frequently forced to employ used and worn equipment when new technology >>is >> no longer available. We find ourselves in a situation where it sometimes >> seems we are forced to "use up" some of our collections before we can >> transfer them to newer (more robust) access formats. >> Tyra Grant >> >> Digital and electronic media preservation officer >> University of Kansas Libraries >> tgr...@ku.edu >> 785-864-8951 >> >> >> >> On 9/21/11 4:28 PM, "ghand...@library.berkeley.edu" >> <ghand...@library.berkeley.edu> wrote: >> >>>My guess is that if the issue of 16mm transfer vis a vis 108 came to >>>case >>>law (highly unlikely in the short-run), a very compelling and binding >>>case >>>could be made for considering the format obsolete for most practical >>>purposes. Regardless of how many new and used projectors Jessica can >>>find >>>online. Legal opinion I've received so far seems to concur. >>> >>> >>>Gary >>> >>> >>>> Thanks everyone for your feedback. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Regarding obsolescence - We share the same support issues Gail and >>>>others >>>> have brought up. The men in glasses wheeling a projector into the >>>> classroom (who I'll now fondly refer to as "The Dennis' ") are gone. >>>>Last >>>> year, the single 16mm projector that was being delivered out to >>>>classrooms >>>> broke and the department overseeing this service called it quits on >>>> supporting 16mm in the classroom. We have about 4 functioning >>>>machines >>>> left on campus with very few people who still know how to properly use >>>> them and no one inhouse to do even basic repairs. On the rare >>>>occasion a >>>> faculty member wants to show a 16mm in the classroom, our institution >>>> basically can't support them. In a local sense, 16mm equipment and >>>>the >>>> skills needed to support it are basically obsolete here (in many >>>> universities in general???), though as Jessica points out it is still >>>> available and used in other areas. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Regarding ILL - thanks for this feedback too. This issue had never >>>>come >>>>up >>>> before and it stumped me. I vaguely remembered analog vs. digital >>>>being a >>>> factor in lending of any type. We generally don't circulation any >>>>16mm >>>> films outside of the library anyway (especially through ILL), though I >>>> will make sure to clarify in our catalog records that the 16mm is not >>>>an >>>> access copy at all. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Kim >>>> >>>> >>>> Kim Stanton >>>> Head, Media Library >>>> University of North Texas >>>> kim.stan...@unt.edu >>>> P: (940) 565-4832 >>>> F: (940) 369-7396 >>>> >>>> From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu >>>> [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Gail Fedak >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 3:09 PM >>>> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu >>>> Subject: Re: [Videolib] ILL of Section 108 copies >>>> >>>> When I entered the media world in the mid 70's, we were fortunate to >>>>have >>>> a 16mm lending library cooperative for subscribing K-12 schools >>>>located >>>> within our library, so had access to a professional 16mm repair and >>>> refurbishing machine, complete with two experienced operators. While >>>>16mm >>>> is a reasonably sturdy format, the myriad of casual users (faculty in >>>> classrooms and students in study rooms) wrecked havoc on our titles. >>>> Improper threading of the projector meant large scratches, ripped >>>>sprocket >>>> holes, etc., and attempts to pause for a still-frame usually produced >>>>a >>>> nice burn. I venture to guess that, for many academic libraries that >>>>still >>>> have 16mm titles on hand, they do not have sufficient equipment to >>>>keep >>>> them viable and are probably short on staff who know how to repair >>>>them. >>>> What about the availability of replacement footage for sections so >>>>heavily >>>> spliced that one or more sequences are rendered useless? These factors >>>> constitute no reason to pursue an unauthorized, wholesale conversion >>>>of >>>>a >>>> 16mm collection to a newer format, but they do weigh in on the side of >>>> classifying 16mm as an expiring, if not expired, format for academic >>>> libraries. Due diligence can be applied to finding rights holders >>>>(we've >>>> done it when needed) for permission or license to avoid the necessity >>>>of >>>> keeping a title transferred to DVD in-house. The quest is not always >>>> successful, but is certainly doable. And this list has provided >>>>excellent >>>> leads in many of our quests. If we still had a 16mm collection, I >>>>would >>>>be >>>> concentrating my efforts on replacing and converting as fast as >>>>possible. >>>> Gail >>>> >>>> Gail B. Fedak >>>> Director, Media Resources >>>> Middle Tennessee State University >>>> Murfreesboro, TN 37132 >>>> Phone: 615-898-2899 >>>> Fax: 615-898-2530 >>>> Email: gfe...@mtsu.edu<mailto:gfe...@mtsu.edu> >>>> Web: www.mtsu.edu/~imr<http://www.mtsu.edu/%7Eimr> >>>> >>>> ³Education is a progressive study of your own ignorance.² Will >>>>Durant >>>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >>>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, >>>>acquisition,bibliographic >>>> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats >>>>in >>>> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will >>>>serve >>>> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a >>>>channel >>>>of >>>> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video >>>> producers and distributors. >>>> >>> >>> >>>Gary Handman >>>Director >>>Media Resources Center >>>Moffitt Library >>>UC Berkeley >>> >>>510-643-8566 >>>ghand...@library.berkeley.edu >>>http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC >>> >>>"I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself." >>>--Francois Truffaut >>> >>> >>>VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >>>issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic >>>control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in >>>libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve >>>as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel >>>of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video >>>producers and distributors. >> >> >> >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >>issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic >>control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in >>libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve >>as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel >>of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video >>producers and distributors. >> > > > >-- >Jessica Rosner >Media Consultant >224-545-3897 (cell) >212-627-1785 (land line) >jessicapros...@gmail.com > >VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic >control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in >libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve >as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel >of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video >producers and distributors. > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
