Yes I know this happens at Kraemer which I went to once in NYC BUT in the
dozens of other webninars and seminars mentioned here I never see any
representation from from rights holders. I am curious if in the specific
discussion on the "non profit" exemption was there any participation by
right holders? I am also curious if the responses posted here regarding how
the wording did not in fact cover  films came up in the discussion at the
conference.

Again the bigger issue to me are the seemingly endless 'in house"
presentations of copyright issues like the "entertainment to education"
transformative never include rights holders and that if an institution
believes it to be accurate it does not cease paying for any licenses and
inform rights holders either directly or posting its policies online?


Jessica

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Sarah E. McCleskey <
sarah.e.mccles...@hofstra.edu> wrote:

> Hi Jessica,
>
> You might be surprised to know that the UCCS Copyright conference was
> sponsored by (among others) a law firm specializing in intellectual
> property. Several IP attorneys gave a number of very useful presentations
> and engaged with attendees informally in discussions.
>
> Their presence definitely added a different, and welcome, perspective to
> the event.
>
> Sarah McCleskey
> Head of Access Services
> Hofstra University Library
> sarah.e.mccles...@hofstra.edu
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 7, 2016, at 7:35 PM, Jessica Rosner <jessicapros...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> My problem with things like this and the you can stream any feature film
> released in theaters without permission/license claim/theory is that all
>  these "theories" some  from the same exact voices in the same echo
> chamber. IF institutions actually believed this was legal, then they should
> state so publically on their web sites and/or inform rights holders
> particularly major studios, foreign distributors etc in writing. The dirty
> little secret is that  a lot of illegal streaming and showing does go on
> but rights holders are in the dark and have no way to legally challenge it.
> Now I don't actually expect a school to send a letter to Disney saying "We
> are streaming FANTASIA" to our 500 intro to animation students and we don't
> believe we need to pay you or get your permission" but it would be
> interesting if they did and might actually result in  the kind of legal
> clarity people say they want.. What I would like is for there to be more
> balance in the voices,sources that the educational community solicits for
> opinions. Is it really that much to ask for the many, many webinars,
> seminars etc,  to invite a legal representive from a studio, filmmaker or
> similar to participate?
>
> Jessica
>
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 5:15 PM, Sarah E. McCleskey <
> sarah.e.mccles...@hofstra.edu> wrote:
>
>> I think it is worthy of investigation. This is not an endorsement or an
>> indication that I would consider using the exemption without having much
>> more information.
>>
>> It benefits us all to have raised awareness of the law imho.
>>
>>
>> Sarah McCleskey
>> Head of Access Services
>> Hofstra University Library
>> sarah.e.mccles...@hofstra.edu
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 7, 2016, at 1:13 PM, Dennis Doros <milefi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm agreeing with Andy and would like to point out...
>>
>> "performance of a nondramatic literary or musical work *otherwise* than
>> in a transmission to the public"
>>
>> The use of "otherwise" makes me believe that "transmission" (usually
>> meaning a by mechanical method -- ie. a projector or monitor) to the public
>> is not permitted.
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Dennis Doros
>> Milestone Film & Video
>> PO Box 128 / Harrington Park, NJ 07640
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>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Deg Farrelly <deg.farre...@asu.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Attending the Kraemer Copyright Symposium in Colorado Springs.  (Kenneth
>>> Crewes and Kevin Smith making great presentations among others...)
>>>
>>> At a session yesterday, delivered by IP lawyers, the notion of the
>>> non-profit exemption for use of non-literary and music works was raised.
>>>
>>> Quite honestly, this is one exemption I don't recall hearing about
>>> before.  Sarah McClesky commented similarly.
>>>
>>> Worth looking into further....this may be an exemption that allows
>>> student groups and other campus activities to screen documentary works
>>> without securing public performance rights!
>>>
>>> deg farrelly
>>>
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