Sarah I believe most librarians are good guys but I think they are under a lot of pressure from instructurs to get any material they need in whatever format they ask and from admiinstration to cut costs.
I don't have the budge to go to conferences especially in Colorado but I there it is clear that the same people present the same views with little or no input from rights holders.On the one hand I sincerely doubt an effort is made to reach out to say the MPAA or studios on the other hand those guys tend to pretty clueless however as long as the presentation and information comes from one side I don't think anyone benefits. I am not a lawyer but I am sure there are copyright lawyers who work for rights holders who would be willing to attend or participate in these events Now I actually have been to three conferences which to say the least left me very cynical. The first which I know I have mentioned often was ALA in Chicago years ago where I believe Kevin Smith first claimed that films that played in theaters for "entertainment" (in this case Citizen Kane) were "transformed " by being used in classes and thus one could break encryption and stream any feature film without a license ( and also as I have noted ad nasuem when I asked if this also applied to books sold to the public like Catcher in the Rye I was told "this was an interesting question) The second one was at NYU where I literally got in a screaming match with well known person in academic media who said that if a film was not available in the format they wanted then schools could use pirate copies, dupes etc. The third one was a session at the Kernochan which is a bit of blur but there was a real debate discussion between at least one major copyright IP specialist and several from the academic community. It would do no good at all for me to go to these conferences my continuing point is that at least where film/av is concerned legal reps from rights holders ought to be invited. I see very little evidence that they are. On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 2:27 PM, Sarah E. McCleskey < sarah.e.mccles...@hofstra.edu> wrote: > I believe the schedule and presentation slides are online. > > Most librarians are trying to be the good guy and not rip other people > off. I suggest you start actually attending these conferences before > issuing uninformed blanket judgments from anonymous IP attorneys who > weren't even there. Context is key. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 10, 2016, at 11:31 AM, Jessica Rosner <maddux2...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Sarah > Out of curiosity I checked with two copyright lawyers I know. Neither > actually knew of the Kraemer seminars and neither had heard the one law > film that was a sponsor ( along with many academic groups) but said that > person listed as their IP leader was a trademark lawyer who was not > involved in copyright law. I would sincerely be interested in any more > information on the IP lawyers and their presentations if you remember them. > I understand this a conference from the Academic perspective but I remain > highly cynical that rights holders were fairly represented. > > Again my big issue is that too much of this is echo chamber discussion and > that these issues need to be discussed and debated by a much broader and > balanced group. > > On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Sarah E. McCleskey < > sarah.e.mccles...@hofstra.edu> wrote: > >> Hi Jessica, >> >> You might be surprised to know that the UCCS Copyright conference was >> sponsored by (among others) a law firm specializing in intellectual >> property. Several IP attorneys gave a number of very useful presentations >> and engaged with attendees informally in discussions. >> >> Their presence definitely added a different, and welcome, perspective to >> the event. >> >> Sarah McCleskey >> Head of Access Services >> Hofstra University Library >> sarah.e.mccles...@hofstra.edu >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 7, 2016, at 7:35 PM, Jessica Rosner <jessicapros...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> My problem with things like this and the you can stream any feature film >> released in theaters without permission/license claim/theory is that all >> these "theories" some from the same exact voices in the same echo >> chamber. IF institutions actually believed this was legal, then they should >> state so publically on their web sites and/or inform rights holders >> particularly major studios, foreign distributors etc in writing. The dirty >> little secret is that a lot of illegal streaming and showing does go on >> but rights holders are in the dark and have no way to legally challenge it. >> Now I don't actually expect a school to send a letter to Disney saying "We >> are streaming FANTASIA" to our 500 intro to animation students and we don't >> believe we need to pay you or get your permission" but it would be >> interesting if they did and might actually result in the kind of legal >> clarity people say they want.. What I would like is for there to be more >> balance in the voices,sources that the educational community solicits for >> opinions. Is it really that much to ask for the many, many webinars, >> seminars etc, to invite a legal representive from a studio, filmmaker or >> similar to participate? >> >> Jessica >> >> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 5:15 PM, Sarah E. McCleskey < >> sarah.e.mccles...@hofstra.edu> wrote: >> >>> I think it is worthy of investigation. This is not an endorsement or an >>> indication that I would consider using the exemption without having much >>> more information. >>> >>> It benefits us all to have raised awareness of the law imho. >>> >>> >>> Sarah McCleskey >>> Head of Access Services >>> Hofstra University Library >>> sarah.e.mccles...@hofstra.edu >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Jun 7, 2016, at 1:13 PM, Dennis Doros <milefi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I'm agreeing with Andy and would like to point out... >>> >>> "performance of a nondramatic literary or musical work *otherwise* than >>> in a transmission to the public" >>> >>> The use of "otherwise" makes me believe that "transmission" (usually >>> meaning a by mechanical method -- ie. a projector or monitor) to the public >>> is not permitted. >>> >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Dennis Doros >>> Milestone Film & Video >>> PO Box 128 / Harrington Park, NJ 07640 >>> Phone: 201-767-3117 / Fax: 201-767-3035 / Email: milefi...@gmail.com >>> www.milestone.film >>> >>> >>> JOIN OUR MAILING LIST TODAY! >>> <http://milestonefilms.us3.list-manage1.com/subscribe/post?u=4a0b9e434a9f3e8603c29806e&id=f30d1906e2> >>> Support us on Facebook >>> <http://www.facebook.com/pages/Milestone-Film/22348485426> and Twitter >>> <https://twitter.com/#!/MilestoneFilms>! >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Deg Farrelly <deg.farre...@asu.edu> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Attending the Kraemer Copyright Symposium in Colorado Springs. >>>> (Kenneth Crewes and Kevin Smith making great presentations among >>>> others...) >>>> >>>> At a session yesterday, delivered by IP lawyers, the notion of the >>>> non-profit exemption for use of non-literary and music works was raised. >>>> >>>> Quite honestly, this is one exemption I don't recall hearing about >>>> before. Sarah McClesky commented similarly. >>>> >>>> Worth looking into further....this may be an exemption that allows >>>> student groups and other campus activities to screen documentary works >>>> without securing public performance rights! >>>> >>>> deg farrelly >>>> >>>> >>>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >>>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic >>>> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in >>>> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as >>>> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of >>>> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video >>>> producers and distributors. >>>> >>>> >>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic >>> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in >>> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as >>> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of >>> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video >>> producers and distributors. >>> >>> >>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic >>> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in >>> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as >>> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of >>> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video >>> producers and distributors. >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Jessica Rosner >> Media Consultant >> 224-545-3897 (cell) >> 212-627-1785 (land line) >> jessicapros...@gmail.com >> >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic >> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in >> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as >> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of >> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video >> producers and distributors. >> >> >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic >> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in >> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as >> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of >> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video >> producers and distributors. >> >> > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in > libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as > an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of > communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video > producers and distributors. > > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in > libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as > an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of > communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video > producers and distributors. > >
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
