My feeling of the speed is that it needs a certain lightness and rythmic pulse to be a dance form rather than sounding, as you suggest, like a sort of anthem. Regarding stringing: I really would suggest that you to persist with octaves on the 4th and certainly try high unison on the 5th which will, at a stroke, solve your problem of octave intrusion on the 5th as well as making more sense of the common passage work involving the open 3rd and open 5th. Also use gut on the 4th rather than a powerful modern overwound string: this may seem counter-intuitive, but the thicker, more protruding, bourdon may make it easier for you to strike the lower of the pair as well as the upper. Rather like a violin, much depends on the attack; here of the thumb rather than the bow - playing well through the course and somewhat down into the belly should strengthen the bass of the pair. Indeed, I think much baroque guitar music is often closer to that of the violin than the lute: solo note passages interspersed with chords and emphasise on up and down bows(strums). There's good exceptions to this of course: in particular some of Sanz's pieces and Guerau Interestingly, the piece you mention does not, of course, conform to this more common pattern which is why, having failed to spot anything in Sanz or Guerau, I suspected a transcription: either from lute or other instrumental source. There are, as you'll have noted, other pieces from the Gallot collection in the same style ie largely treble and bass with no strumming and no campanella play (eg including Pavanne 71v, the long Gaillarde and suite 69v-70v, two courantes 68v-69) - maybe others can find concordances for these which may also be a clue to the source of this Baleto. Martyn
Stuart Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm pleased someone else plays music from this wonderful MS which must > contain the logest piece ever written for baroque guitar (if, of course, it > was ever expected to be played in one sitting). > > Regarding the particular piece: the harmonies and structure are reminiscent > of Gianoncelli's 'IL LIUTO' (Venice 1650) with its passing dissonances > (intentional I think) and variation form. However, whilst there is indeed a > 'Baletto' with 5 variations (pgs 6,7) it isn't this one. > > It may seem a strange thing: to transcribe from the 14 course arciliuto to > the 5 course guitar, but much of this music is only two part and the low > basses are either used for effect or to free the left hand in higher > positions (much as the extra basses on the Dm lute) so putting them up an > octave or even two on a re-entrant tuned guitar may bring unexpected > inversions - but to good effect here. Incidentally, I don't think this music > it requires a bourdon on the fifth course altho' I do use one on the fourth. > Perhaps it could go a little faster as well - but nicely played. > > rgds > > M. > Thanks for your reply. Yes, it drags at the end at the speed I'm playing it. But it felt wrong to play it faster at the beginning of the piece. Seems more like a sort of anthem at the beginning. I've finally made a decision about playing the Baroque guitar: I just cannot anymore stand the sound of the intrusive high d on the fourth course. To me it ruins everything. Maybe a pair of gut strings an octave apart could sound pleasantly ambiguous but with modern strings (my current ones are from a reputable maker) all I hear is the high string - so often managing to wreck the melodic line or the harmony. Full re-entrant tuning on the guitar is just a complete and utter mystery to me. There's no issue with re-entrant tuning on the Renaissance cittern - you are bobbing about on different strings but the notes are in the same octave. And the same with the archlute or theorbo (can't remember which) with the top courses an octave lower. I've read that that is fully accounted for in the tab - there's no octave hopping. So I've resolved to 'do' something: - in some circumstances to split the courses and, as far as possible, to play the lower octave when that makes musical sense and the higher octave in campanella passages. Or, as in my attempt to play this Baleto, to play the fourth course (sometimes even the fifth) with the fingers. I wish I'd resolved to do this years ago. It's like getting an image suddenly in focus. For me (this is obviously a personal thing) it puts the Baroque guitar back in line with every other plucked instrument - rather than (in my opinion) an unsatisfactory anomaly. I used to play the Baroque lute and often the thumb is miles away from the fingerboard. I'm not exactly sure but I think it was a lesson as at a summer school with Nigel North who suggested I should sometimes use fingers to play both the low and high notes on the fingerboard rather than have the thumb continually moving form the low bas strings to the fingerboard. In effect, one is playing the fingerboard thumblessly. Stuart > > --------------------------------- Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html