My memory IS going! I DO have Berner's book. My excuse is that I was thrown off the scent by it being called a book - it's actually a rather small paperbound booklet...
Pagw 45 has the picture, but I'm afraid it's entitled 'Head of theorboed guitar, late eighteenth-century - attributed to Cosineau 1780' (G. Thibault collection - Thibault was one of the authors of the booklet). In short, one of those instruments using overwound strings and many extant examples some pictured on the Harp-Guitar site previously mentioned. The page also has two other depictions of guitars: a four course and a 5 course both taken from Mersenne. I wouldn't take Berners little work as at all reliable/accurate these days: even in 1967, when published, we knew that the chitarrone was not generally strung 'usually with metal', and that Mersenne's depiction of what he called a theorbe was actually an archlute (as indeed M later said in an autograph emendation to his own copy) tho' Berners calls it a theorbo. Similarly, of the 5 course guitar he says the ' lower three courses double in octaves' ........ Martyn --- On Wed, 22/7/09, Monica Hall <mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: From: Monica Hall <mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] PS to ...Re: Guitarre theorbee To: "Martyn Hodgson" <hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: "Vihuelalist" <vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu> Date: Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 7:58 AM Yes - Donald does say that it is late - presumably 18th century. The illustration Alexander has mentioned is beautiful but obviously a different instrument from either Gallot or Granata. Monica ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martyn Hodgson" <[1]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> To: "Vihuela Dmth" <[2]vihu...@cs.dartmouth.edu>; "Monica Hall" <[3]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 7:08 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] PS to ...Re: Guitarre theorbee > > PS to my last: the significance of this depiction hinges around how > 'late' it is. By the end of the 18thC there was the fashion for > classically inspired guitars with two necks (after Kithara) and theorbo > like extensions; they used overwound basses (as contemporary > guitars). I see these as new inventions rather than development of the > 17thC Gth/Gat and thus telling us nothing about the stringing of the > earlier instruments. > > M > --- On Wed, 22/7/09, Martyn Hodgson <[4]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > From: Martyn Hodgson <[5]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Guitarre theorbee > To: "Monica Hall" <[6]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> > Date: Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 7:02 AM > > > Me neither. But I see Donald from time to time so will ask him about it > in due course. > > Martyn > --- On Tue, 21/7/09, Monica Hall <[7]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > > From: Monica Hall <[8]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> > Subject: [VIHUELA] Guitarre theorbee > To: "Vihuelalist" <[9]vihu...@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Date: Tuesday, 21 July, 2009, 10:20 PM > > I see that Donald Gill says that there is a drawing of the neck and > pegbox of a late example of a theorboed guitar in the G. Thibault > collection reproduced in a book by A. Berners "Preservation and > resoration of musical instruments". > Has anyone seen this? It's in the BL but I can't get there this > week. > Martyn? > Monica > __________________________________________________________________ > I am using the Free version of [1]SPAMfighter. > We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 4 of my spam emails to date. > The Professional version does not have this message. > -- > References > 1. [1][10]http://www.spamfighter.com/len > To get on or off this list see list information at > [2][11]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- > > References > > 1. [12]http://www.spamfighter.com/len > 2. [13]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 4 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: [14]http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message -- References 1. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk 2. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vihu...@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 4. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk 5. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk 6. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 7. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 8. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk 9. http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vihu...@cs.dartmouth.edu 10. http://www.spamfighter.com/len 11. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 12. http://www.spamfighter.com/len 13. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 14. http://www.spamfighter.com/len