Hope springs eternal to the human breast.
Monica
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martyn Hodgson" <hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
To: "Monica Hall" <mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
Cc: "Vihuelalist" <vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 2:37 PM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: PS to ...Re: Guitarre theorbee - Berners book(let)
Well, surely this is precisely why we're engaged in this exchange of
views: to see if their is a reasonably well-informed concencus which
may be established.
M
--- On Thu, 23/7/09, Monica Hall <mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
From: Monica Hall <mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: PS to ...Re: Guitarre theorbee - Berners
book(let)
To: "Martyn Hodgson" <hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: "Vihuelalist" <vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Date: Thursday, 23 July, 2009, 2:21 PM
Many thanks - that saves me a trip to the British Library.
What you say does highlight a big problem ...there is so much
inaccurate information in circulation.
We should all be careful we don't add to it!
Monica
----- Original Message ----- From: "Martyn Hodgson"
<[1]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
To: "Vihuela Dmth" <[2]vihu...@cs.dartmouth.edu>; "Monica Hall"
<[3]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 1:36 PM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: PS to ...Re: Guitarre theorbee - Berners
book(let)
>
> My memory IS going! I DO have Berner's book. My excuse is that I
was
> thrown off the scent by it being called a book - it's actually a
rather
> small paperbound booklet...
>
> Pagw 45 has the picture, but I'm afraid it's entitled 'Head of
> theorboed guitar, late eighteenth-century - attributed to Cosineau
> 1780' (G. Thibault collection - Thibault was one of the authors of
the
> booklet). In short, one of those instruments using overwound
strings
> and many extant examples some pictured on the Harp-Guitar site
> previously mentioned.
>
> The page also has two other depictions of guitars: a four course
and a
> 5 course both taken from Mersenne.
>
> I wouldn't take Berners little work as at all reliable/accurate
these
> days: even in 1967, when published, we knew that the chitarrone was
not
> generally strung 'usually with metal', and that Mersenne's
depiction
> of what he called a theorbe was actually an archlute (as indeed M
later
> said in an autograph emendation to his own copy) tho' Berners calls
it
> a theorbo. Similarly, of the 5 course guitar he says the ' lower
three
> courses double in octaves' ........
>
> Martyn
>
> --- On Wed, 22/7/09, Monica Hall <[4]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
> From: Monica Hall <[5]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] PS to ...Re: Guitarre theorbee
> To: "Martyn Hodgson" <[6]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
> Cc: "Vihuelalist" <[7]vihu...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Date: Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 7:58 AM
>
> Yes - Donald does say that it is late - presumably 18th century.
> The illustration Alexander has mentioned is beautiful but obviously
a
> different instrument from either Gallot or Granata.
> Monica
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Martyn Hodgson" <[1][8]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
> To: "Vihuela Dmth" <[2][9]vihu...@cs.dartmouth.edu>; "Monica Hall"
> <[3][10]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 7:08 AM
> Subject: [VIHUELA] PS to ...Re: Guitarre theorbee
> >
> > PS to my last: the significance of this depiction hinges around
how
> > 'late' it is. By the end of the 18thC there was the fashion for
> > classically inspired guitars with two necks (after Kithara) and
> theorbo
> > like extensions; they used overwound basses (as contemporary
> > guitars). I see these as new inventions rather than development
of
> the
> > 17thC Gth/Gat and thus telling us nothing about the stringing
of
> the
> > earlier instruments.
> >
> > M
> > --- On Wed, 22/7/09, Martyn Hodgson
<[4][11]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >
> > From: Martyn Hodgson <[5][12]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
> > Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Guitarre theorbee
> > To: "Monica Hall" <[6][13]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
> > Date: Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 7:02 AM
> >
> >
> > Me neither. But I see Donald from time to time so will ask him
> about it
> > in due course.
> >
> > Martyn
> > --- On Tue, 21/7/09, Monica Hall <[7][14]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
wrote:
> >
> > From: Monica Hall <[8][15]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
> > Subject: [VIHUELA] Guitarre theorbee
> > To: "Vihuelalist" <[9][16]vihu...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> > Date: Tuesday, 21 July, 2009, 10:20 PM
> >
> > I see that Donald Gill says that there is a drawing of the
neck
> and
> > pegbox of a late example of a theorboed guitar in the G.
> Thibault
> > collection reproduced in a book by A. Berners "Preservation
and
> > resoration of musical instruments".
> > Has anyone seen this? It's in the BL but I can't get there
this
> > week.
> > Martyn?
> > Monica
> >
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