Many thanks - that saves me a trip to the British Library.
What you say does highlight a big problem ...there is so much inaccurate
information in circulation.
We should all be careful we don't add to it!
Monica
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From: "Martyn Hodgson" <hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
To: "Vihuela Dmth" <vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>; "Monica Hall"
<mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 1:36 PM
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: PS to ...Re: Guitarre theorbee - Berners book(let)
My memory IS going! I DO have Berner's book. My excuse is that I was
thrown off the scent by it being called a book - it's actually a rather
small paperbound booklet...
Pagw 45 has the picture, but I'm afraid it's entitled 'Head of
theorboed guitar, late eighteenth-century - attributed to Cosineau
1780' (G. Thibault collection - Thibault was one of the authors of the
booklet). In short, one of those instruments using overwound strings
and many extant examples some pictured on the Harp-Guitar site
previously mentioned.
The page also has two other depictions of guitars: a four course and a
5 course both taken from Mersenne.
I wouldn't take Berners little work as at all reliable/accurate these
days: even in 1967, when published, we knew that the chitarrone was not
generally strung 'usually with metal', and that Mersenne's depiction
of what he called a theorbe was actually an archlute (as indeed M later
said in an autograph emendation to his own copy) tho' Berners calls it
a theorbo. Similarly, of the 5 course guitar he says the ' lower three
courses double in octaves' ........
Martyn
--- On Wed, 22/7/09, Monica Hall <mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
From: Monica Hall <mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] PS to ...Re: Guitarre theorbee
To: "Martyn Hodgson" <hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: "Vihuelalist" <vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Date: Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 7:58 AM
Yes - Donald does say that it is late - presumably 18th century.
The illustration Alexander has mentioned is beautiful but obviously a
different instrument from either Gallot or Granata.
Monica
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From: "Martyn Hodgson" <[1]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
To: "Vihuela Dmth" <[2]vihu...@cs.dartmouth.edu>; "Monica Hall"
<[3]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 7:08 AM
Subject: [VIHUELA] PS to ...Re: Guitarre theorbee
>
> PS to my last: the significance of this depiction hinges around how
> 'late' it is. By the end of the 18thC there was the fashion for
> classically inspired guitars with two necks (after Kithara) and
theorbo
> like extensions; they used overwound basses (as contemporary
> guitars). I see these as new inventions rather than development of
the
> 17thC Gth/Gat and thus telling us nothing about the stringing of
the
> earlier instruments.
>
> M
> --- On Wed, 22/7/09, Martyn Hodgson <[4]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
>
> From: Martyn Hodgson <[5]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Guitarre theorbee
> To: "Monica Hall" <[6]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
> Date: Wednesday, 22 July, 2009, 7:02 AM
>
>
> Me neither. But I see Donald from time to time so will ask him
about it
> in due course.
>
> Martyn
> --- On Tue, 21/7/09, Monica Hall <[7]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
> From: Monica Hall <[8]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
> Subject: [VIHUELA] Guitarre theorbee
> To: "Vihuelalist" <[9]vihu...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
> Date: Tuesday, 21 July, 2009, 10:20 PM
>
> I see that Donald Gill says that there is a drawing of the neck
and
> pegbox of a late example of a theorboed guitar in the G.
Thibault
> collection reproduced in a book by A. Berners "Preservation and
> resoration of musical instruments".
> Has anyone seen this? It's in the BL but I can't get there this
> week.
> Martyn?
> Monica
>
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