[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yakov Lerner ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On 2/26/07, A.J.Mechelynck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Paul Irofti wrote:
Hello vimmers,
I don't understand why Google Wiki is being discussed here as the main
solution. As I see it there are a few _major_ disadvantages of using it:
- it has software limitations that a large community, such as ours,
can't cope with
- it's managed and offered by a third party organization
- we don't have controls of what features we want in and/or out or the
way the layout/code/roadmap goes
- it's a commercial product and Vim will be asociated with it in the long
run
- Google is as corporate as you can get, corporations and OpenSource
don't mix well together (there are tons of examples)
- from what I've read in this thread it doesn't even have all the
features needed for a working Vim-tips wiki
On the other hand mediawiki seems the best solution for something like
this:
- it's *OpenSource*
- it offers an easy management environment
- it can support high loads of traffic (see wikipedia)
- it has multi-language support
- it's easy to customize and improve
- it's not chown()-ed by any corporation
I know I'm not a regular here, but I read most of the mail I get from
vim@ and don't quite get why you people are seriously considering this.
So I thought I'd drop my two cents and hope that someone can shed some
light.
Thanks,
Paul.
Not a regular, maybe, yet your name isn't unfamiliar to me. Thanks for
passing by.
If we gan get hosting space somewhere for a mediawiki server, I'm all in
favour.
ElWiki.com
Free MediaWiki hosting with fast setup. A free .com/net/org domain
is offered for wikis which reach 10 pages of content. Google AdSense
text-ads may be added to the right sidebar to cover hosting expenses.
From: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wiki_Science:How_to_start_a_Wiki
Yakov
I just checked the ElWiki.com.
It sound really nice in the sense that it's completely free. However, checking
the terms, some made me think if it is what a Vim community should agree with
(I quote from http://elwiki.com/register.php):
Terms and Conditions
Privacy
# We won't spam you - your email address will only be used for notifications
related to your account, and will not be disclosed to 3rd parties.
Domain
# Once your site reaches 10 pages of content, we will contact you via email and
you will be offered a free .com/.net/.org address of your own choosing.
# If you already own a domain which you would like to use, email
domains[at]elwiki.com after you sign up and we will be happy to assist.
# ElWiki will cover all costs associated with domain registration.
Ownership
# The site URL (domain or subdomain) will remain property of ElWiki.
# Your site content will be licensed under the GNU Free Documentation License.
Advertising
# We reserve the right to display contextually-targeted text-based sponsored
links in the right sidebar of your paes.
# When using our free service, you may not add advertising to your Wiki without
our prior consent.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Obligations
# The service is provided free-of-charge, as-is, and without any guarantees or
obligations.
# We reserve the right to cancel or alter the service at any time.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Acceptable Use Policy
# Use of this service for harrassing, obscene, or illegal activities is
strictly prohibited.
# Use of this service for hosting pornographic images is prohibited.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Control and Approval
# ElWiki reserves the right to reject creation of a Wiki, or delete a Wiki at
it's sole discretion.
# ElWiki may make ammendments to the site title, URL, or description.
# You will be given non-exclusive administrative control over any site you
choose to host with us.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So this means that they can stop the wiki without further question or make it
not free anymore, and therefore, what would become of the contents of the wiki?
I also believe that mediawiki would be a good solution but I agree with Antoine
when he says: the problem would be a free hosting.
KR,
Gregory
It may be legalese -- some lawyers add that kind of talktalk just to stay "on
the safe side"... for them -- yet these (marked out with !!!!!) are the kind
of clauses I would hesitate long and hard (perhaps forever ;-) ) before
signing. Short of a benevolent sponsor, I seriously wonder what we should do.
Best regards,
Tony.
--
"You can bring any calculator you like to the midterm, as long as it
doesn't dim the lights when you turn it on."
-- Hepler, Systems Design 182
