Sebastian Menge wrote:
[...very helpful summary for Vim Wiki...]
Thanks for keeping this moving. I'm happy with what you said, but here are some comments. Please disregard all this and just do it, if you can't stand my detail at the moment!
everything should fit on one page, no scrolling
That would be an aim, but clearly it can't be enforced by the initial import (although it does mean that any information box should be at the end of the tip).
2.) Drop the id for new tips, use old ids just to redirect.
Good, but let's have a specific example. How about: ---Current example--- URL: http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/VimTip1_v2 Title: Tip: #1 - the super star ---What we want--- URL: http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/the_super_star Title: The super star The import script should change the tip title as above. -Or- Do we want to keep the (obsolete!) tip number? ---Also have a redirect page--- URL: http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/vimtip1 Page content (I'm not sure if syntax is correct): #REDIRECT [[the_super_star]] ---Example of new tip--- URL: http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/my_great_new_tip Title: My great new tip (there would be no tip number and no redirect page)
3.) Use some scripting to keep ids, e.g. via a cron job that tidies up each night or a javascript that uses a timestamp.
I think you are saying that this is not a good plan. I agree that we cannot realistically have an automated process run on someone's computer to edit wiki pages. We'll have to plan so there is no need to automate adjustments. Tony mentioned the possibility of a wiki robot, but I guess that we would not be able to use such a feature, unless we knew a friendly administrator (hi Martin!).
Layout issues of the template can be discussed in the respective discussion page.
Let's not do that yet. I suggest we keep all discussion here until the wiki is imported. After the first import, let's discuss it here and agree "yes". Once that is done, those who are willing can discuss details on the wiki discussion pages.
Conversion of HTML in Tip-Text. This should be converted to wiki markup in the long run.
Please - let's do it in the import script! Anything else would be a heap of unrewarding and unending work. The script could convert simple cases, and maybe flag awkward cases for manual attention. We have had three fantastic scripts (I think it's three) that were produced very quickly. Someone needs to pick one and ask the author if they are willing to make adjustments.
A problem are tips that contain URLs to external sites (e.g. other tips)
Fix this in the import script as well: - Links to tips should be adjusted to wiki format. - Links to external sites should be converted to plain text for later review. I like Martin Krischik's suggestion that we use the vi wikibooks where he is an administrator. However, we would get really ugly URLs - I think something like (one line!): http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Learning_the_vi_editor/Vim/Tips_and_Tricks/the_super_star Maybe Martin has a suggestion to improve that. I also saw a comment that wikia would provide additional benefits over wikibooks (I don't quite understand this): a complete wiki, not just a bunch of pages To do: - Discuss here for, say, three more days. - Import ten tips. - Discuss for another three days. - Import all tips. John
