Let me start by asking your forgiveness for my rambling, but here's how this is going:
A note on equipment: The 7100/66 is running OS 8.0. I didn't think to mention on my original post, but I do have a SCSI hard drive I could use to (theoretically) go from 7100->LCIII as well. I've tried hooking the HD to the Plus before, but there were several issues (HD is 3 GB, which I think might be too much for System 6 to see, and I know there's interleave issues as well.) Anyway, I downloaded a program today named 'Burn', and was able to make myself an HFS standard disk. The 7100 reads the disc with no problems (which, btw, I was only able to burn at 4x; 1 or 2x wasn't even an option.) However, upon insertion of a floppy to write files to (the lone 2DD disk I could find laying around), it asked for the initialization, and I named it and let it work its magic. However, after a minute or so, it returned a message saying initialization failed, with no further explanation. I popped the floppy into the Mac Plus, and used that to initialize it as a double sided disk. It worked fine, I was able to name the disk (even though I had no files to put on it.) I put it back in the 7100, which for some reason only wanted to initialize it again. I'm not sure if there's some difference in the initialization methods between System 6 and OS 8, but I didn't give up just yet. I dug out the SCSI hard drive, hooked it all up while the 7100 was off, turned it on w/ a SCSI ID of 3, and booted the 7100. Since taking that step, the 7100 hasn't been the same. The first time, it booted slowly, then was unresponsive once it got to the desktop. The mouse pointer sat in the top corner of the screen just blinking between pointer and the wait-a-second-icon every few seconds. I ended up using the power button on the back of the machine to restart it, with the SCSI HD off, and didn't turn the HD back on, but the machine still reacted the same way on the second boot. I figured it might be having trouble with the internal hard drive (had I selected the same SCSI ID somehow? I thought the internal was '0'...), so I restarted while holding 'd', and it appeared to boot to the desktop correctly, albeit slowly. The problem is, now that it's booted to the desktop with all the normal icons, it's still unresponsive. A floppy insertion provokes no reaction, the HD doesn't show up if I turn it on, the CD tray won't eject. If I push the power button on the keyboard, a dialogue box shows up for a fraction of a second with a 'shut down' button visible, but promptly disappears. I'm out of ideas for the 7100. Now, I know some posters have mentioned the possibility of AppleTalk. I'll admit, the extent of my knowledge is very limited in this area. I've fiddled with the setting in Chooser in system 6, but never actually used it. I'm open to the idea, but (I believe) restricted by my (lack of) equipment. I have one ADB keyboard and one ADB mouse. If what I've seen is correct, they are not hot swappable (at least, not safely.) I assume it'd be pretty easy to link the LC III with the 7100, but I only can run one at once with my peripherals. I tried setting up the Macintosh Plus with the 7100 for AppleTalk, but got nowhere. I'm not sure if you have to have the same OS or have to tweak settings in 8 to work with 6 or something. Regrettably, I do not have the adapter for the ethernet on the 7100/66. I do have a U.S. Robotics modem, but have little/no experience with this as well. Should I expect to be able to use a phone cord/ethernet adapter to hook into my modern router for internet/ networking, or are the old boxes expecting a dial tone and nothing else? I don't want to be paying twice for internet service every month to get high speed and dial-up... but I digress. I suppose the question is, is there a way to get AppleTalk working productively between the Plus and 7100? Is there any sort of SCSI target mode or something to make the internal HD of the 7100 (which I could theoretically copy the files onto if I got the 7100 working again) visible to the Plus? How should I go about troubleshooting the 7100? I don't have any OS 8 or 9 install discs, and the only dual boot machine I own is a lime iBook clamshell (and no floppy drive for it). Did I do anything particularly wrong in trying to hook up the SCSI HD with the 7100? I thought only SCSI ID's 0,1, and 2 would be used for the HD, floppy, and CD ROM drive, but 3,4,5, and 6 didn't work either. I appreciate all assistance. Ever since discovering emacs in terminal, I've wanted to play Pong and the like on my old Macs, and it's good to be getting close :) Glen On Nov 11, 11:36 am, Elliott Price <callmemrp...@gmail.com> wrote: > Since none of the info given to you so far has been very helpful, I thought > I'd chime in as well. > > First off, older CD-ROM drives have trouble reading burned disks. The problem > comes from the way the discs are made; Commercial disks actually have pits > stamped into them, where as CD-R's have darker burned spots instead of pits. > The speed at which it was burned has nothing to do with it. > > What I have found that works best for getting files onto my Mac Plus's > external HD is to have a "gateway" machine; something that can boot both OS9 > and OSX, and has a built-in floppy drive. I use a Powermac G3 Minitower > running 9.2.2 and 10.4.11. From my 10.6 iMac, I can transfer files to it in > 10.4 via Ethernet, then a quick reboot into OS9 can put the files onto an > 800K floppy, or transfer them directly over the Serial port. If you have any > way to boot your eMac into 10.4, you could probably transfer files to your > 7100 via Ethernet. (With the correct adapter, since it has Apple's weird > AppleTalk port) It might also help if you can update your 7100 to 9.1, > filesharing would be a lot easier. > > If you don't have any 800K floppies, you can use 1.44Mb floppies and tape > over the hole on the right side. When you put them into a newer Mac (like the > 7100) it'll recognize and format it as an 800K floppy. The reformatted 1.44Mb > floppies will eventually degrade, but for file transfers they work great. > > I personally think everyone with vintage Macs should have a G3 Minitower or > desktop. They can run anything from System 8.0 to 10.4.11. They also have > built-in floppy, SCSI, Serial and lots of other handy ports. It's just one > intermediate step from Intel Macs to 68x Macs. Just my opinion :) > > Another idea; If either of your old Macs has an external HD, just plug the HD > directly into the 7500 and copy files onto it. If you don't have an external > HD, you might look into getting one, it makes the Mac Plus a lot more useful. > > One last note; The original SE had 800K floppy drives, but the later SE/FDHD > and SE/30 both had 1.44Mb floppies. It sounds like you have the original SE, > which probably has an 800K drive. > > -Elliott > > On Nov 10, 2010, at 8:08 PM, Glen Waterman wrote: > > > > > I've got several old Macintosh machines that I'm not incredibly > > familiar with (compared to more modern Macs). My goal recently has > > been to get lots of software downloaded for use on my Macintosh Plus > > and Macintosh SE, as I have next to nothing useful for these but would > > love to see them used. I've got lots of files to transfer, but I'm > > having trouble doing so. > > > Any ideas of what's holding me up? Or do you see any glaring flaws in > > the plan to get the files on the old computers? I've got mostly 2HD > > floppies at my disposal, but I seem to remember seeing something that > > the Plus can't handle that density... am I right? Will it read a 2DD? > > I think the SE should be ok with either... anyway, thanks in advance > > for any tips or advice. > > > -- > > ----- > > You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs > > group. > > The list FAQ is athttp://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtmland our > > netiquette guide is athttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > > To post to this group, send email to vintage-macs@googlegroups.com > > To leave this group, send email to vintage-macs+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/vintage-macs > > > Support for older Macs:http://lowendmac.com/services/ -- ----- You received this message because you are a member of the Vintage Macs group. 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