Scott I would not continue to play tennis with this issue. Always remember that a person convinced against their will is of the same opinion still. On Jul 10, 2012, at 4:02 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav <for...@talknav.com> wrote:
> Scott, > > Thank you sincerely for replying, firstly, for absolute clarity it is not my > intention to start any form of mass criticism or, flaming, of you and what > you said to Leo. > > I appreciate the full context and listened twice through before writing to > the list. > > I'm still not completely in your line of thinking when it comes to > phraseology over what is, and what is not, accessible, usable or operable by > a blind user with a screen reader. > > Sure, Face Book, Twitter and Linked In all can be used, but this is with a > major emphasis on can, and not, are easily, or, easily done so by the masses > within the blind world. > > How for example do you even open an account with any of these three, the last > time I checked, all three use screen capture, which even when offering an > audio option, these are outrageously poor quality and to be frank, require > the patience, not to mention hearing, of a god to manage to decipher. > > Now once you have your account opened, sure its possible, with time, > patience, constant adapting and learning to figure how to use such services, > but, they do very little to assist us, and I struggle to believe for a second > that any of the major social networks have even considered our user group. > > Now, you rightly stat that this was not the purpose of your call to Leo's > show, and, indeed again rightly that I myself am free to contact him. I have > done so before on a range of issues, even to discuss Lemonade of all things. > > The thing that I take note, and to an extent, exception to, is in your tone > and mannerism within the context of the conversation, what I heard was a > blind person telling a hugely influential internet and online presence > commentator that these services are all usable. > > now you and I may have one definition for usable, you might say that usable > simply means, with a hole load of ball ache, and a huge degree of screen > reader experience and knowledge you can use those services, but, to the wider > population and sighted user, you can bet your bottom dollar that they took > such phraseology and terminology to convey that these services are not only > usable in the widest definition, but, with a modicum of ease and simplicity, > such was the nature of your answer. > > This was just my view, and as a blind lobbyist and commentator on our > community, not to mention someone who has a considerable experience in the > internet industry, I believe quite strongly in this stance. > > Kindly. > > > > Regards, > > Neil Barnfather > > Talks List Administrator > Twitter @neilbarnfather > > TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple > iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your > accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com > > URL: - www.talknav.com > e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com > Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 > > > > On 10 Jul 2012, at 00:44, Scott Rumery wrote: > >> Hello Neil, >> I appreciate your comments but I think that you are maybe missing some >> of the context of my conversation with Leo. Is it true that some of these >> social networks are a bit problematic for us blind people to use? Yes they >> can be, but I think as a blind person that uses them on a daily basis that >> they are usable, and I believe that Leo's question was not if they were >> totally accessible, but if they were able to be used by blind people. >> >> Could I have gotten on my soapbox about some of the inaccessibility of >> some of these sites? I could have, but remember that this is a radio show >> and my time with Leo was coming to an end. >> >> Remember my call to Leo was to discuss using social networks to build >> an audience for our business that we are trying to get started, not to >> discuss whether or not we as blind people can use all of these sites. As >> for my answer that they are absolutely accessible, I meant that they are >> accessible in a general sense of the word, not that they are completely >> accessible. >> >> I hope that this clears it up a little, and if you want to talk about >> the inaccessibility of these services then you are more than welcome to give >> Leo a call yourself this weekend to talk to him about it. His show begins >> at 2:00 P.M. Eastern Time on Saturday and goes until 5:00 P.M. Eastern Time. >> It is on Sunday afternoon as well at the same time. His toll free number >> is 1-888-875-637. >> >> Scott Rumery >> On Jul 9, 2012, at 6:11 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: >> >>> I was surprised in fact to hear Scott so readily and easily suggest just >>> how usable and accessible Face Book and other social media sites and >>> services are. >>> >>> This to me was a prime opportunity to really lay out on the table to a core >>> sector of the internet community, and Mr. Leo Laporte himself, thee tech >>> guy, just how dam lazy, lousy and poor many web-sites, online services and >>> applications truly are… and Scott just said, oh yeah, sure they are >>> accessible and all but completely usable. >>> >>> The majority of folk would even argue that opening an account with many of >>> these services is hell on earth with screen capture etc, let alone the >>> myriad of unlabelled buttons, poorly laid out tables, difficult to navigate >>> interfaces and UI's, oh, not to mention, Face Book's complete >>> inaccessibility of their iOS App… >>> >>> I would have focused on that, well Leo, let me tell you, some of it works, >>> but when we say works, we mean partially, or that with a little guess work >>> we can figure it out, but, the truth is that Face Book, Linked In, Twitter >>> etc could do way, way more to help us… >>> >>> To my mind, and I'm sorry if this is taken harshly, Scott had a prime >>> opportunity to really state for the record to a hugely influential person >>> in this field just how bad things are, and failed to do so… >>> >>> I'm sure that the promotion was good etc, but, what we need to be doing is >>> outlining to these people our predicament and what we need them to be doing >>> for us. >>> >>> for example, check out the, stress not yet completed, www.TheOEF.org >>> >>> its just my view... >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Neil Barnfather >>> >>> Talks List Administrator >>> Twitter @neilbarnfather >>> >>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple >>> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your >>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com >>> >>> URL: - www.talknav.com >>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com >>> Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 >>> >>> >>> >>> On 9 Jul 2012, at 00:20, VaShaun Jones wrote: >>> >>>> On this Saturday's episode of The Tech Guy podcast Leo Laporte spoke with >>>> Scott Rumery of our firm about the importance of social media in business. >>>> Leo is a tech luminary and pioneer of podcasting with over 30 years of >>>> radio and television experience. He is the founder of the TWIT TV podcast >>>> network and currently has over 25 shows on life, technology and law. 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