I said all that have to say on this matter, and you are absolutely right. I just felt as though there were a couple points that I wanted to make to this guy. The issue is closed now.
Scott On Jul 10, 2012, at 9:00 PM, VaShaun Jones wrote: > Scott I would not continue to play tennis with this issue. Always remember > that a person convinced against their will is of the same opinion still. > On Jul 10, 2012, at 4:02 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav <for...@talknav.com> > wrote: > >> Scott, >> >> Thank you sincerely for replying, firstly, for absolute clarity it is not my >> intention to start any form of mass criticism or, flaming, of you and what >> you said to Leo. >> >> I appreciate the full context and listened twice through before writing to >> the list. >> >> I'm still not completely in your line of thinking when it comes to >> phraseology over what is, and what is not, accessible, usable or operable by >> a blind user with a screen reader. >> >> Sure, Face Book, Twitter and Linked In all can be used, but this is with a >> major emphasis on can, and not, are easily, or, easily done so by the masses >> within the blind world. >> >> How for example do you even open an account with any of these three, the >> last time I checked, all three use screen capture, which even when offering >> an audio option, these are outrageously poor quality and to be frank, >> require the patience, not to mention hearing, of a god to manage to decipher. >> >> Now once you have your account opened, sure its possible, with time, >> patience, constant adapting and learning to figure how to use such services, >> but, they do very little to assist us, and I struggle to believe for a >> second that any of the major social networks have even considered our user >> group. >> >> Now, you rightly stat that this was not the purpose of your call to Leo's >> show, and, indeed again rightly that I myself am free to contact him. I have >> done so before on a range of issues, even to discuss Lemonade of all things. >> >> The thing that I take note, and to an extent, exception to, is in your tone >> and mannerism within the context of the conversation, what I heard was a >> blind person telling a hugely influential internet and online presence >> commentator that these services are all usable. >> >> now you and I may have one definition for usable, you might say that usable >> simply means, with a hole load of ball ache, and a huge degree of screen >> reader experience and knowledge you can use those services, but, to the >> wider population and sighted user, you can bet your bottom dollar that they >> took such phraseology and terminology to convey that these services are not >> only usable in the widest definition, but, with a modicum of ease and >> simplicity, such was the nature of your answer. >> >> This was just my view, and as a blind lobbyist and commentator on our >> community, not to mention someone who has a considerable experience in the >> internet industry, I believe quite strongly in this stance. >> >> Kindly. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Neil Barnfather >> >> Talks List Administrator >> Twitter @neilbarnfather >> >> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple >> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your >> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com >> >> URL: - www.talknav.com >> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com >> Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 >> >> >> >> On 10 Jul 2012, at 00:44, Scott Rumery wrote: >> >>> Hello Neil, >>> I appreciate your comments but I think that you are maybe missing some >>> of the context of my conversation with Leo. Is it true that some of these >>> social networks are a bit problematic for us blind people to use? Yes they >>> can be, but I think as a blind person that uses them on a daily basis that >>> they are usable, and I believe that Leo's question was not if they were >>> totally accessible, but if they were able to be used by blind people. >>> >>> Could I have gotten on my soapbox about some of the inaccessibility of >>> some of these sites? I could have, but remember that this is a radio show >>> and my time with Leo was coming to an end. >>> >>> Remember my call to Leo was to discuss using social networks to build >>> an audience for our business that we are trying to get started, not to >>> discuss whether or not we as blind people can use all of these sites. As >>> for my answer that they are absolutely accessible, I meant that they are >>> accessible in a general sense of the word, not that they are completely >>> accessible. >>> >>> I hope that this clears it up a little, and if you want to talk about >>> the inaccessibility of these services then you are more than welcome to >>> give Leo a call yourself this weekend to talk to him about it. His show >>> begins at 2:00 P.M. Eastern Time on Saturday and goes until 5:00 P.M. >>> Eastern Time. It is on Sunday afternoon as well at the same time. His >>> toll free number is 1-888-875-637. >>> >>> Scott Rumery >>> On Jul 9, 2012, at 6:11 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: >>> >>>> I was surprised in fact to hear Scott so readily and easily suggest just >>>> how usable and accessible Face Book and other social media sites and >>>> services are. >>>> >>>> This to me was a prime opportunity to really lay out on the table to a >>>> core sector of the internet community, and Mr. Leo Laporte himself, thee >>>> tech guy, just how dam lazy, lousy and poor many web-sites, online >>>> services and applications truly are… and Scott just said, oh yeah, sure >>>> they are accessible and all but completely usable. >>>> >>>> The majority of folk would even argue that opening an account with many of >>>> these services is hell on earth with screen capture etc, let alone the >>>> myriad of unlabelled buttons, poorly laid out tables, difficult to >>>> navigate interfaces and UI's, oh, not to mention, Face Book's complete >>>> inaccessibility of their iOS App… >>>> >>>> I would have focused on that, well Leo, let me tell you, some of it works, >>>> but when we say works, we mean partially, or that with a little guess work >>>> we can figure it out, but, the truth is that Face Book, Linked In, Twitter >>>> etc could do way, way more to help us… >>>> >>>> To my mind, and I'm sorry if this is taken harshly, Scott had a prime >>>> opportunity to really state for the record to a hugely influential person >>>> in this field just how bad things are, and failed to do so… >>>> >>>> I'm sure that the promotion was good etc, but, what we need to be doing is >>>> outlining to these people our predicament and what we need them to be >>>> doing for us. >>>> >>>> for example, check out the, stress not yet completed, www.TheOEF.org >>>> >>>> its just my view... >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Neil Barnfather >>>> >>>> Talks List Administrator >>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather >>>> >>>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple >>>> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your >>>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com >>>> >>>> URL: - www.talknav.com >>>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com >>>> Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 9 Jul 2012, at 00:20, VaShaun Jones wrote: >>>> >>>>> On this Saturday's episode of The Tech Guy podcast Leo Laporte spoke with >>>>> Scott Rumery of our firm about the importance of social media in >>>>> business. Leo is a tech luminary and pioneer of podcasting with over 30 >>>>> years of radio and television experience. He is the founder of the TWIT >>>>> TV podcast network and currently has over 25 shows on life, technology >>>>> and law. 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