I haven't read the articles on this public beta yet, but it takes more than a public beta to squash bugs. There also has to be a commitment from Apple to put resources into fixing the reported bugs. As Sieghard says below, many of the bugs we're still seeing now in IOS 8 were reported during the beta, so it isn't an issue of Apple not knowing the bugs were out there.

Given that this is a public beta and the blind community is so small, I'd also be concerned a bit that bugs just affecting the blind VoiceOver user might get drowned out by the bugs affecting so many other users. Obviously, fixing any bug will help all IOS users, including the blind, but Apple will need to continue to be committed to accessibility and fix VoiceOver bugs even if they only affect blind users.

On 02/21/2015 11:03 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
Well it all depends on if apple listens to the bug reports. If OS X Yosemite is 
one show of apples ability to listen, then voiceover will just have to wait 
until iOS 9.3 or so.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 21, 2015, at 10:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:

Hi Devin,

A number of bugs have been fixed, but there also still are some annoying ones 
which have been present ever since the first iOS 8 beta release which means 
they have been reported to Apple now for 9 months and still are not fixed. One 
of these is the fact that you can't move most apps in the bottom row of the 
home screen (the one above the dock). I believe there are alsos till issues 
with Safari and the back button on web pages and a number of issues for braille 
users.

Apple has so far released 5 beta versions of iOS 8.2 and even though 8.2 is not 
even out yet to the public, iOS 8.3 Beta 1 has been released and 8.3 Beta 2 is 
expected next week. 8.3 Beta 1 seems to have fixed a few things, but other 
problems have been introduced so let's ope they get fixed soon.

Jonathan has written an excellent article about the just announced iOS public 
beta program which 9to5Mac has written about and which is expected to start on 
March 11 with a public beta of iOS 8.3. This means I would expect that iOS 8.2 
will be released publically before then, but who knows, maybe iOS 8.2 will 
never become a public release and Apple will stick with 8.1.3 until the publick 
release of 8.3. They are definitely doing things differently and in any case, 
the majority of the new features in the 8.2 beta are about the upcoming Apple 
Watch. Once again Jonathan has blogged about an article which states that while 
iOS 9 which will be announced in a little over 3 months during Apple's world 
wide developer conference will of course have some new features, but focus will 
be heavily about squashing bugs and on getting iOS to be what it used to be, a 
platform which is rock solid, secure and which works well without a lot of 
bugs. I think we do have good things to look forward to th
is year and quite a few Voiceover users will most likely manage to be part of 
that group of 100,000 people who will get access to the iOS 8.3 and later iOS 9 
public beta. Yes, I know people have already asked how they can register for 
that, but I think we just have to wait until Apple announces this officially 
and those who do want to participate better be on the ball since I doubt that 
once Apple does take registrations it will take long for the 100,000 spots to 
be filled. It would actually be nice if Apple set aside 1% or so of these spots 
specifically for Voiceover users maybe by registration via Apple Accessibility, 
but I doubt that will happen and we will just have to compete with everybody 
else..


Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Devin Prater
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 7:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: is the new iOS for iPhones a bit more usable?

I think most of the bugs have been exterminated. Besides that, I think Alex 
alone is worth upgrading for.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 21, 2015, at 7:14 AM, Eric Oyen <eric.o...@gmail.com> wrote:

I am still currently on 7.1.12. I didn't upgrade because of a couple of major 
bugs in iOS 8 involving voiceover and some of the apps.

-eric

On Feb 21, 2015, at 5:54 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote:

Hey Eric

What is your current version? If it is ios7.12 I would rather wait updating, if 
it is already ios8 whatever version it is you 'd better upgrade then to the 
last version.
Regards
Davy

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- From: Eric Oyen
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 12:02 PM
To: Visually impaired phone users
Subject: is the new iOS for iPhones a bit more usable?

hello group,

I have been reading around and it appears that there is a security flaw in 
previous versions of iOS (7 and 8 - versions up to 8.1.12). So, my question is 
this, should I finally upgrade my iPhone 5 to the new iOS? How many of the 
voiceover issues have been resolved?

any answers to these questions would be greatly appreciated.

-eric

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