Hello, I know people can't speak about it, and I don't expect them to, either. But is the new IOS version in beta, already, or not quite yet?
----- Original Message ----- From: Woody Anna Dresner <wadres...@att.net> To: viphone@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:10 pm Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing > > > hi, > > I've been beta testing iOS for a couple of years now, and while Apple doesn't > get to all the bugs right away, I have been pleased with the degree of > feedback I've gotten from their engineering staff and the bugs they have > fixed that I've reported. I wish there was a longer time period between WWDC > in June and iPhone releases in September, as I think the current timeline is > incredibly tight. It seems to be too tight for them to fix everything. But > Apple is definitely trying, most of the bugs this year affected fewer users > than last year's bugs, and they've fixed a lot of bugs since iOS 9 was > released, including crucial ones like answering the phone and the focus > issues. So I think they're doing reasonably well overall. > > Best, > Anna > > > > On Oct 22, 2015, at 11:59 AM, Wayne Merritt <wcmerr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Everyone, > > Think for a moment how many bugs and issues there were in iOS 8.X last > > year. A number of them were directly related to VoiceOver and a number > > were in the mainstream. Apple got so much ill will from everyone > > across the board for putting out things that didn't work. Now, with > > iOS 9, I haven't seen nearly as much outcry among the masses for the > > buggy and half-baked job Apple did with iOS. There are things that are > > bugs for some and not for others, but now that the focus issues have > > been fixed, I haven't seen any other bugs that I can't live with. > > Okay, so the phone does not automatically announce the time when I > > press the home or power button; I can still touch the part of the > > screen that has the time and check it that way. Or, here's a thought, > > look at another clock or watch if I really want to know what time it > > is. And, for those thinking that Apple has sooo many bugs and no one > > else does, widen your scope and look at Windows, JAWS, any screen > > reader or assistive software, or any other widely used mainstream > > software. All major releases has bugs to some degree. If we waited for > > the software companies to fix the bugs before they released the > > software, we would be waiting forever for that next big thing. > > > > Wayne > > > > On 10/22/15, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Of course you should report bugs. They won't be addressed if Apple > >> doesn't know about them. They may still not be addressed, but that will > >> be a conscious decision made by Apple and their developers. Your target > >> isn't other users but the Apple developers. If you weren't going to do > >> something because of a negative reaction by a minority of members on > >> this list or in any community then you'd never do anything. > >> > >> You may be able to shrug off bugs when you upgrade, but that doesn't > >> mean everyone can. I did that with IOS up through 8.4, but with IOS 9, > >> answering phone calls with a headset on and responding to emails is so > >> bad it makes the phone virtually unusable for two tasks I've come to > >> depend on my iPhone for. IMHO, there's too much judgment on this list > >> about the impacts certain bugs have on different users. We all don't use > >> our phones the same way, so we shouldn't pass judgment on another user > >> because they're more impacted by a bug than we are. > >> > >> I don't get the reference to Windows. Apple still has a long ways to go > >> before it gets as much criticism as Microsoft and Freedom Scientific has > >> gotten from their blind users. Furthermore, I don't see the fan boyism > >> for Microsoft that I see for Apple in the blindness community. > >> > >> > >> On 10/22/2015 03:09 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > >>> Hi, > >>> Very well said Mark, but what i ask myself is does it matter what we as > >>> beta testers might say? For every release there has been and probably will > >>> be a tsunami of negativity and complaining and even if what has been > >>> complained about would be fixed to perfection they complain about the > >>> fixes. Either it's too bloody late or there's too little or too much of > >>> everything. I'm the type of guy who upgrades every app and every Os to see > >>> what features are there and if there are bugs, well shrug, nobody's > >>> perfect. As i said before i think it's strange that Apple gets so many > >>> complaints about things that aren't even their fault like apps that are > >>> not upgraded and so don't work or such. In my time on Windows there wasn't > >>> anything like this complaining. Nobody ever said that "freedom scientific > >>> or GW Micro or Dolphin has abandoned us and don't give a fig about us". So > >>> are there bugs? Of course there probably are, no big chunk of code is ever > >>> bug free. Should we report them? > >> Yes politely and with enough info to make the folks aware of the problem > >> but i wonder if that's the case when i hear the tone here and on other > >> forums where blind folks and Apple are the common denominator. > >>> > >>> /Krister > >>> > >>>> 22 okt. 2015 kl. 08:33 skrev M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu>: > >>>> > >>>> Hello Everyone, > >>>> > >>>> I just want to let those of you, who are not beta testers, know, is that > >>>> with any company, be it Apple, Microsoft, Sony, etc, reporting a > >>>> problem, > >>>> regardless of how important it may appear to be to the tester, is not > >>>> always > >>>> addressed immediately or, in some cases, ever. > >>>> > >>>> It has been my experience that the larger an organization becomes, the > >>>> less > >>>> responsive, in terms of addressing non-mission critical problems, it may > >>>> appear to be to external testers. > >>>> > >>>> All we, as beta testers can do, is to make the organization aware of the > >>>> problems and hope that it will manage to address said problems in a > >>>> future > >>>> release. > >>>> > >>>> In my opinion, beta testing is a somewhat thankless job because, when > >>>> bugs > >>>> get squashed, no one pays attention to them or cares how or why they > >>>> were > >>>> resolved and when bugs remain, people think that the testers are not > >>>> testing > >>>> well enough. > >>>> > >>>> To me, beta testing, not just for Apple but for any company is my way of > >>>> showing appreciation for those things in life which I may now take for > >>>> granted; 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