Hello Mark, Thanks much for checking into it for me; its appreciated. :) Although, the new release can't be that bad, there's only one new bug, and quite a few less, really.
----- Original Message ----- From: M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> To: viphone@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 2:50 am Subject: RE: A Quick Word On Beta Testing > > > Hello Rajmund, > > I don't think it a breach of any protocol to let you know that, I just > checked the beta site and there has been no future beta posted, yet. > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Rajmund > Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:40 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing > > Hello, > I know people can't speak about it, and I don't expect them to, either. But > is the new IOS version in beta, already, or not quite yet? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Woody Anna Dresner <wadres...@att.net> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:10 pm > Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing > > > > > > > hi, > > > > I've been beta testing iOS for a couple of years now, and while Apple > > doesn't get to all the bugs right away, I have been pleased with the degree > > of feedback I've gotten from their engineering staff and the bugs they have > > fixed that I've reported. I wish there was a longer time period between > > WWDC in June and iPhone releases in September, as I think the current > > timeline is incredibly tight. It seems to be too tight for them to fix > > everything. But Apple is definitely trying, most of the bugs this year > > affected fewer users than last year's bugs, and they've fixed a lot of bugs > > since iOS 9 was released, including crucial ones like answering the phone > > and the focus issues. So I think they're doing reasonably well overall. > > > > Best, > > Anna > > > > > > > On Oct 22, 2015, at 11:59 AM, Wayne Merritt <wcmerr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Everyone, > > > Think for a moment how many bugs and issues there were in iOS 8.X > > > last year. A number of them were directly related to VoiceOver and a > > > number were in the mainstream. Apple got so much ill will from > > > everyone across the board for putting out things that didn't work. > > > Now, with iOS 9, I haven't seen nearly as much outcry among the > > > masses for the buggy and half-baked job Apple did with iOS. There > > > are things that are bugs for some and not for others, but now that > > > the focus issues have been fixed, I haven't seen any other bugs that I > > > can't live with. > > > Okay, so the phone does not automatically announce the time when I > > > press the home or power button; I can still touch the part of the > > > screen that has the time and check it that way. Or, here's a > > > thought, look at another clock or watch if I really want to know > > > what time it is. And, for those thinking that Apple has sooo many > > > bugs and no one else does, widen your scope and look at Windows, > > > JAWS, any screen reader or assistive software, or any other widely > > > used mainstream software. All major releases has bugs to some > > > degree. If we waited for the software companies to fix the bugs > > > before they released the software, we would be waiting forever for that > > > next big thing. > > > > > > Wayne > > > > > > On 10/22/15, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> Of course you should report bugs. They won't be addressed if Apple > > >> doesn't know about them. They may still not be addressed, but that > > >> will be a conscious decision made by Apple and their developers. > > >> Your target isn't other users but the Apple developers. If you > > >> weren't going to do something because of a negative reaction by a > > >> minority of members on this list or in any community then you'd never do > > >> anything. > > >> > > >> You may be able to shrug off bugs when you upgrade, but that > > >> doesn't mean everyone can. I did that with IOS up through 8.4, but > > >> with IOS 9, answering phone calls with a headset on and responding > > >> to emails is so bad it makes the phone virtually unusable for two > > >> tasks I've come to depend on my iPhone for. IMHO, there's too much > > >> judgment on this list about the impacts certain bugs have on > > >> different users. We all don't use our phones the same way, so we > > >> shouldn't pass judgment on another user because they're more impacted by > > >> a bug than we are. > > >> > > >> I don't get the reference to Windows. Apple still has a long ways > > >> to go before it gets as much criticism as Microsoft and Freedom > > >> Scientific has gotten from their blind users. Furthermore, I don't > > >> see the fan boyism for Microsoft that I see for Apple in the blindness > > >> community. > > >> > > >> > > >> On 10/22/2015 03:09 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > > >>> Hi, > > >>> Very well said Mark, but what i ask myself is does it matter what > > >>> we as beta testers might say? For every release there has been and > > >>> probably will be a tsunami of negativity and complaining and even > > >>> if what has been complained about would be fixed to perfection > > >>> they complain about the fixes. Either it's too bloody late or > > >>> there's too little or too much of everything. I'm the type of guy > > >>> who upgrades every app and every Os to see what features are there > > >>> and if there are bugs, well shrug, nobody's perfect. As i said > > >>> before i think it's strange that Apple gets so many complaints > > >>> about things that aren't even their fault like apps that are not > > >>> upgraded and so don't work or such. In my time on Windows there > > >>> wasn't anything like this complaining. Nobody ever said that > > >>> "freedom scientific or GW Micro or Dolphin has abandoned us and > > >>> don't give a fig about us". So are there bugs? Of course there probably > > >>> are, no big chunk of code is ever bug free. Should we report them? > > >> Yes politely and with enough info to make the folks aware of the > > >> problem but i wonder if that's the case when i hear the tone here > > >> and on other forums where blind folks and Apple are the common > > >> denominator. > > >>> > > >>> /Krister > > >>> > > >>>> 22 okt. 2015 kl. 08:33 skrev M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu>: > > >>>> > > >>>> Hello Everyone, > > >>>> > > >>>> I just want to let those of you, who are not beta testers, know, > > >>>> is that with any company, be it Apple, Microsoft, Sony, etc, > > >>>> reporting a problem, regardless of how important it may appear to > > >>>> be to the tester, is not always addressed immediately or, in some > > >>>> cases, ever. > > >>>> > > >>>> It has been my experience that the larger an organization > > >>>> becomes, the less responsive, in terms of addressing non-mission > > >>>> critical problems, it may appear to be to external testers. > > >>>> > > >>>> All we, as beta testers can do, is to make the organization aware > > >>>> of the problems and hope that it will manage to address said > > >>>> problems in a future release. > > >>>> > > >>>> In my opinion, beta testing is a somewhat thankless job because, > > >>>> when bugs get squashed, no one pays attention to them or cares > > >>>> how or why they were resolved and when bugs remain, people think > > >>>> that the testers are not testing well enough. > > >>>> > > >>>> To me, beta testing, not just for Apple but for any company is my > > >>>> way of showing appreciation for those things in life which I may > > >>>> now take for granted; things like clean drinking water, > > >>>> electricity, personal liberties, talking ATM machines, > > >>>> audio-described movies, screen readers, refreshable Braille > > >>>> displays, smart phones, hearing aids, medicine, etc. > > >>>> > > >>>> Beta testing is also my way of showing my respect for those blind > > >>>> and low-vision pioneers who came before me and it is a means by > > >>>> which I may, in some small part, leave a legacy to those who will > > >>>> follow. > > >>>> > > >>>> So, when a product is released with a number of bugs, please try > > >>>> to keep in mind that were it not for beta testers, that number > > >>>> would most likely be much higher. > > >>>> > > >>>> Most Sincerely, > > >>>> > > >>>> Mark > > >>>> > > >>>> -- > > >>>> The following information is important for all members of the > > >>>> VIPhone list. > > >>>> > > >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this > > >>>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, > > >>>> please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting > > >>>> on the list itself. > > >>>> > > >>>> Your VIPhone list owner is Cara Quinn - 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