Hi Christopher, With iOS 9.1, do you still have the problem with Voiceover freezing up when a headset is connected and you disconnect? This has completely disappeared for me ever since iOS 9.1 Beta 4 or 5 I think and in the public release it is also working great for me. I would say that iOS 9.1 now (October 23) is as good or better than iOS 8.4 was which came out I believe in April or May, maybe even June. I'd really love to know if others who upgraded to 9.1 still experience the issue with hanging up a call when the headset is connected. If so, I wonder what a total wipe/restore and setting up as a new phone would do.
Regards, Sieghard -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 4:30 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing For me, I didn't find any bugs in IOS 8 I couldn't live with. I never regretted upgrading to IOS 8. IOS 9 is a different story. I lose VoiceOver when I answer a call with my headset on, and VoiceOver freezes when I reply to an email message. I'm still getting by with the work arounds I've uncovered so far, but I'm much less satisfied with IOS 9 than I was with IOS 8, and I can't recommend the iPhone anymore to another blind person, at least not without letting them know about these issues. On 10/22/2015 12:43 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > Hi, > I guess you just said what i was trying to say earlier on only mor well > spokenly than me. > Thanks for that. > /Krister > >> 22 okt. 2015 kl. 18:59 skrev Wayne Merritt <wcmerr...@gmail.com>: >> >> Everyone, >> Think for a moment how many bugs and issues there were in iOS 8.X >> last year. A number of them were directly related to VoiceOver and a >> number were in the mainstream. Apple got so much ill will from >> everyone across the board for putting out things that didn't work. >> Now, with iOS 9, I haven't seen nearly as much outcry among the >> masses for the buggy and half-baked job Apple did with iOS. There are >> things that are bugs for some and not for others, but now that the >> focus issues have been fixed, I haven't seen any other bugs that I can't >> live with. >> Okay, so the phone does not automatically announce the time when I >> press the home or power button; I can still touch the part of the >> screen that has the time and check it that way. Or, here's a thought, >> look at another clock or watch if I really want to know what time it >> is. And, for those thinking that Apple has sooo many bugs and no one >> else does, widen your scope and look at Windows, JAWS, any screen >> reader or assistive software, or any other widely used mainstream >> software. All major releases has bugs to some degree. If we waited >> for the software companies to fix the bugs before they released the >> software, we would be waiting forever for that next big thing. >> >> Wayne >> >> On 10/22/15, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Of course you should report bugs. They won't be addressed if Apple >>> doesn't know about them. They may still not be addressed, but that >>> will be a conscious decision made by Apple and their developers. >>> Your target isn't other users but the Apple developers. If you >>> weren't going to do something because of a negative reaction by a >>> minority of members on this list or in any community then you'd never do >>> anything. >>> >>> You may be able to shrug off bugs when you upgrade, but that doesn't >>> mean everyone can. I did that with IOS up through 8.4, but with IOS >>> 9, answering phone calls with a headset on and responding to emails >>> is so bad it makes the phone virtually unusable for two tasks I've >>> come to depend on my iPhone for. IMHO, there's too much judgment on >>> this list about the impacts certain bugs have on different users. We >>> all don't use our phones the same way, so we shouldn't pass judgment >>> on another user because they're more impacted by a bug than we are. >>> >>> I don't get the reference to Windows. Apple still has a long ways to >>> go before it gets as much criticism as Microsoft and Freedom >>> Scientific has gotten from their blind users. Furthermore, I don't >>> see the fan boyism for Microsoft that I see for Apple in the blindness >>> community. >>> >>> >>> On 10/22/2015 03:09 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> Very well said Mark, but what i ask myself is does it matter what >>>> we as beta testers might say? For every release there has been and >>>> probably will be a tsunami of negativity and complaining and even >>>> if what has been complained about would be fixed to perfection they >>>> complain about the fixes. Either it’s too bloody late or there’s >>>> too little or too much of everything. I’m the type of guy who >>>> upgrades every app and every Os to see what features are there and >>>> if there are bugs, well shrug, nobody’s perfect. As i said before i >>>> think it’s strange that Apple gets so many complaints about things >>>> that aren’t even their fault like apps that are not upgraded and so >>>> don’t work or such. In my time on Windows there wasn’t anything >>>> like this complaining. Nobody ever said that ”freedom scientific or >>>> GW Micro or Dolphin has abandoned us and don’t give a fig about >>>> us”. So are there bugs? Of course there probably are, no big chunk of code >>>> is ever bug free. Should we report them? >>> Yes politely and with enough info to make the folks aware of the >>> problem but i wonder if that’s the case when i hear the tone here >>> and on other forums where blind folks and Apple are the common denominator. >>>> >>>> /Krister >>>> >>>>> 22 okt. 2015 kl. 08:33 skrev M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu>: >>>>> >>>>> Hello Everyone, >>>>> >>>>> I just want to let those of you, who are not beta testers, know, >>>>> is that with any company, be it Apple, Microsoft, Sony, etc, >>>>> reporting a problem, regardless of how important it may appear to >>>>> be to the tester, is not always addressed immediately or, in some >>>>> cases, ever. >>>>> >>>>> It has been my experience that the larger an organization becomes, >>>>> the less responsive, in terms of addressing non-mission critical >>>>> problems, it may appear to be to external testers. >>>>> >>>>> All we, as beta testers can do, is to make the organization aware >>>>> of the problems and hope that it will manage to address said >>>>> problems in a future release. >>>>> >>>>> In my opinion, beta testing is a somewhat thankless job because, >>>>> when bugs get squashed, no one pays attention to them or cares how >>>>> or why they were resolved and when bugs remain, people think that >>>>> the testers are not testing well enough. >>>>> >>>>> To me, beta testing, not just for Apple but for any company is my >>>>> way of showing appreciation for those things in life which I may >>>>> now take for granted; things like clean drinking water, >>>>> electricity, personal liberties, talking ATM machines, >>>>> audio-described movies, screen readers, refreshable Braille >>>>> displays, smart phones, hearing aids, medicine, etc. >>>>> >>>>> Beta testing is also my way of showing my respect for those blind >>>>> and low-vision pioneers who came before me and it is a means by >>>>> which I may, in some small part, leave a legacy to those who will >>>>> follow. >>>>> >>>>> So, when a product is released with a number of bugs, please try >>>>> to keep in mind that were it not for beta testers, that number >>>>> would most likely be much higher. >>>>> >>>>> Most Sincerely, >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> The following information is important for all members of the >>>>> VIPhone list. >>>>> >>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >>>>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please >>>>> contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list >>>>> itself. >>>>> >>>>> Your VIPhone list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >>>>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>>> >>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "VIPhone" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>> send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Christopher (CJ) >>> chaltain at Gmail >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the VIPhone list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this >>> list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please >>> contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list >>> itself. >>> >>> Your VIPhone list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "VIPhone" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>> send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> >> -- >> Follow me on Twitter at: >> www.twitter.com/wcmerritt >> My website: >> www.wayneism.com >> My book list: >> www.wayneism.com/books.php >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the VIPhone list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your VIPhone list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- The following information is important for all members of the VIPhone list. 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