Is this Apple Beta Discussions list specifically for blind beta users or any beta users, sighted or blind. I'd be interested in joining a list for blind beta users to hear about and talk about accessibility and VoiceOver issues in the beta, but I'd be worried that a general list for beta users would involve more traffic than I'd like to get.

BTW, I think it's on topic for this list to share information about other mailing lists. I'm not sure we need to be policing those other lists though. People can find out on their own if it violates the NDA to join such a list or not.

On 11/07/2015 02:34 PM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:
You're right. I forgot to say the additional information. The list won't let 
you join if you don't have the beta installed. They'll ask you if you have a 
beta of iOS 9 or a beta of El Capitan. They also ask where your feedback 
assistant is on either your Mac or iPhone. Matthew Dierckens and Aleeha Dudley 
are mods of that list.

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On Nov 7, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:

Excuse me, but unless you have to be a beta tester to join that list that is 
flying in the face of the NDA and I suspect the policy of this list as well.
Richard


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Hi William. I'm subscribed to the list that does talk about beta versions. If 
you want to subscribe to it, the address is 
apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com.

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On Nov 7, 2015, at 6:57 AM, William Windels <william.wind...@gmail.com> wrote:

He all,
I agree of course with the described rules.
However, since there are (always) public beta’s available, it should be great 
to have a low-level place to discuss accessibility-related problems.
So perhaps, important voiceover-bugs can be solved before the public release.
And also perhaps , not everyone is familiar with the developer’s platform from 
apple to discuss there.

It’s not my suggestion to ignore the mda-rules of apple in the first place but 
I want announce the problem for some users to announce and discuss 
accessibility problems in pre-release-versions of osx/ios.
Apple accessibility it self will not do something with pre-release questions , 
send by mail.
Kind regards,
William Windels
Op 7 nov. 2015, om 08:00 heeft M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> het volgende 
geschreven:

Hello Alex,

You ask an excellent question.

You are correct.  As you stated, questions about how to sign up for the beta 
programs or downgrading devices are fine.  However, beta-specific questions or 
details, any issues covered by an NDA, should not be posted-on-list.

Mark

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Being Switched to Moderated Status

Mark,
I haven't been following the beta testing thread at all, so forgive me if this 
an obvious question. List members can post questions *about* testing, correct? 
Downgrading, signing up, un-enrolling devices, and the like are all fine, as 
they aren't covered by NDA. It's only questions specific to a beta (is this bug 
fixed in the new beta, and such) that are the problem? This has long been my 
understanding of the policy on this and other lists, but I wanted to check now 
that it's come up.
On Nov 6, 2015, at 23:04, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:

Hello Daniel,

You ask a very good question.  I should have included the information in my 
original email.

Being placed on moderated status means that one's post must first be approved 
by a moderator before being sent out to the entire list.

Mark

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Hi Mark, forgive my ignorance, but what does moderated status mean exactly?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 6, 2015, at 9:47 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:

Hello All,

Recently, a list member deliberately posted a beta software question
to the list knowing that doing so is prohibited.

As a result, even though it saddens me greatly, that member has been
placed on moderated status.  I have informed the list member of the
change in posting privileges.

Please do not post beta software questions to the list as doing so
will cause you to be placed on moderated status.

Thank you all for respecting the list policies.

Mark

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