Hi Chris. It's only for blind Voiceover and Zoom users. Shawn Sent From My White MacBook Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs Skype username: bbstheblindrapper Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> On Nov 7, 2015, at 3:52 PM, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Is this Apple Beta Discussions list specifically for blind beta users or any > beta users, sighted or blind. I'd be interested in joining a list for blind > beta users to hear about and talk about accessibility and VoiceOver issues in > the beta, but I'd be worried that a general list for beta users would involve > more traffic than I'd like to get. > > BTW, I think it's on topic for this list to share information about other > mailing lists. I'm not sure we need to be policing those other lists though. > People can find out on their own if it violates the NDA to join such a list > or not. > > On 11/07/2015 02:34 PM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote: >> You're right. I forgot to say the additional information. The list won't let >> you join if you don't have the beta installed. They'll ask you if you have a >> beta of iOS 9 or a beta of El Capitan. They also ask where your feedback >> assistant is on either your Mac or iPhone. Matthew Dierckens and Aleeha >> Dudley are mods of that list. >> >> Shawn >> Sent From My White MacBook >> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk >> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs >> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper >> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com >> >>> On Nov 7, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Excuse me, but unless you have to be a beta tester to join that list that >>> is flying in the face of the NDA and I suspect the policy of this list as >>> well. >>> Richard >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >>> Of Shawn Krasniuk >>> Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2015 12:24 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: MODERATOR NOTE: Posting Beta Questions to the List Will Result >>> in Being Switched to Moderated Status >>> >>> Hi William. I'm subscribed to the list that does talk about beta versions. >>> If you want to subscribe to it, the address is >>> apple-beta-discussion+subscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> >>> Shawn >>> Sent From My White MacBook >>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk >>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs >>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper >>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com >>> >>>> On Nov 7, 2015, at 6:57 AM, William Windels <william.wind...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> He all, >>>> I agree of course with the described rules. >>>> However, since there are (always) public beta’s available, it should be >>>> great to have a low-level place to discuss accessibility-related problems. >>>> So perhaps, important voiceover-bugs can be solved before the public >>>> release. >>>> And also perhaps , not everyone is familiar with the developer’s platform >>>> from apple to discuss there. >>>> >>>> It’s not my suggestion to ignore the mda-rules of apple in the first place >>>> but I want announce the problem for some users to announce and discuss >>>> accessibility problems in pre-release-versions of osx/ios. >>>> Apple accessibility it self will not do something with pre-release >>>> questions , send by mail. >>>> Kind regards, >>>> William Windels >>>>> Op 7 nov. 2015, om 08:00 heeft M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> het volgende >>>>> geschreven: >>>>> >>>>> Hello Alex, >>>>> >>>>> You ask an excellent question. >>>>> >>>>> You are correct. As you stated, questions about how to sign up for the >>>>> beta programs or downgrading devices are fine. However, beta-specific >>>>> questions or details, any issues covered by an NDA, should not be >>>>> posted-on-list. >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>>>> Behalf Of Alex Hall >>>>> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 8:31 PM >>>>> To: 'Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone >>>>> Subject: Re: MODERATOR NOTE: Posting Beta Questions to the List Will >>>>> Result in Being Switched to Moderated Status >>>>> >>>>> Mark, >>>>> I haven't been following the beta testing thread at all, so forgive me if >>>>> this an obvious question. List members can post questions *about* >>>>> testing, correct? Downgrading, signing up, un-enrolling devices, and the >>>>> like are all fine, as they aren't covered by NDA. It's only questions >>>>> specific to a beta (is this bug fixed in the new beta, and such) that are >>>>> the problem? This has long been my understanding of the policy on this >>>>> and other lists, but I wanted to check now that it's come up. >>>>>> On Nov 6, 2015, at 23:04, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello Daniel, >>>>>> >>>>>> You ask a very good question. I should have included the information in >>>>>> my original email. >>>>>> >>>>>> Being placed on moderated status means that one's post must first be >>>>>> approved by a moderator before being sent out to the entire list. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>>>>> Behalf Of Daniel Miller >>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 7:56 PM >>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: MODERATOR NOTE: Posting Beta Questions to the List Will >>>>>> Result in Being Switched to Moderated Status >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Mark, forgive my ignorance, but what does moderated status mean >>>>>> exactly? >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 6, 2015, at 9:47 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello All, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Recently, a list member deliberately posted a beta software question >>>>>>> to the list knowing that doing so is prohibited. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As a result, even though it saddens me greatly, that member has been >>>>>>> placed on moderated status. I have informed the list member of the >>>>>>> change in posting privileges. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please do not post beta software questions to the list as doing so >>>>>>> will cause you to be placed on moderated status. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you all for respecting the list policies. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mark >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >>>>>>> list. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, >>>>>>> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact >>>>>>> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list >>>>>>> itself. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >>>>>>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "VIPhone" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>> an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >>>>>> list. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>>>> >>>>>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >>>>>> Quinn - 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