Thank you for that information, Wane. I appreciate it. Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 25, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Wayne Merritt <wcmerr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > After reading a few messages on this thread, I submit the following: > To those that say that the NFB hasn't spoken against other major tech > companies, like Microsoft, Google and Amazon: if you look back at the > NFB resolutions since 2009, you will find around 20 passed that were > directed either in praise or disappointment with accessibility > products from Microsoft, Google and Amazon. Anyone recall all of the > almost yearly resolutions and protests that the nFB made against > Amazon over the Kindle line? Yes, that Kindle that many of you have on > your desk and your enjoyment of its services, you can thank the NFB > for access to that Kindle. The NFB has spoken up over other access > issues, like the many Google apps, Microsoft services, and access > issues from other companies like the Nook from Barnes & Noble. And how > many resolutions were passed against Apple? Counting this year's: 4. > Think what you will, but this has nothing to do with money. If it were > about money, then the NFB would not have brought resolutions/lawsuits > against Target, Google, or Microsoft, among others. > > Regards, > Wayne > >> On 8/25/16, Regina Alvarado <reggie.alvar...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Well said Jonathan! I was not going to get into this fight. I have had some >> issues also. However, I really understood what Jonathan was saying. I am >> deeply grateful to Apple for putting a screen reader directly in its >> operating system, but they truly can do better just as we all can. NFB only >> pointed this out, and I, for one, hope next year is Android's turn along >> with other things like nonaccessible web sites and other technology that has >> not caught up. I have my own thoughts and issues with NFB, but they are >> holding Apple's feet to the fire and hopefully will do the same for other >> technology companies. Unfortunately, they have a past history of planting >> their feet on one entity and stomping them. I know. I was there when they >> went completely off the grid on a guide dog school which had problems which >> its students were taking care of. This is another example, but a needed >> statement too. Perhaps another technology user next year will take on the >> writing of a resolution against Google or Microsoft or any number of tech >> companies, and I sincerely hope NFB will pass it with as much gusto as this >> one. I hope they are not protecting companies that give them money. However, >> if this had anything to do with Apple making improvement, as a lot of beta >> testers say, then I am happy. >> >> reggie & Lex >> >> On Aug 25, 2016, at 12:29 PM, Mário Navarro <mario....@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Mary, my answer to you is: >> read the post from Jonathan Mosen. >> >> http://mosen.org/that-nfb-resolution/ >> >> Às 17:15 de 25/08/2016, Mary Otten escreveu: >>> Mario, >>> Since you don't know me or anything about my history, you are way out of >>> bounds with your criticism. Just because I don't fall into lockstep, and >>> I'm not willing to ignore the fact that the Federation gets money from >>> other vendors, whom they didn't do not criticize and resolutions, does not >>> make me ungrateful for progress. I am not going to walk in lockstep behind >>> anyone. I have sat in too many meetings with Federation us who simply >>> would not change their opinion on anything despite data. And I have also >>> sat in other meetings with Federationists who were quite the opposite. No >>> one and no organization is perfect and beyond criticism. I certainly agree >>> that the quality assurance problems with Apple products as well as many >>> others in the software field are serious. But the fact that the Federation >>> takes money from other equally guilty, if not more guilty vendors, and >>> then does not produce resolutions calling on them to up their quality >>> game, well, it's rather suspicious don't you think? Never mind answering >>> that, it was a rhetorical question. >>> >>> Mary >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Mário Navarro <mario....@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> you are of those only has intelligence to criticize what others do for >>>> you ... >>>> You should criticize less and work more for the cause of the blind and >>>> accessibility. >>>> instead, you are those who are always waiting for others to do for you. >>>> NFB never done anything for you? >>>> read this and learn. >>>> >>>> https://nfb.org/2016-resolutions >>>> >>>> Às 16:46 de 25/08/2016, Mary Otten escreveu: >>>>> Two years in a row, and if he has had resolutions which specifically >>>>> called out Apple. At the first of those conventions, they were calling >>>>> Google and accessibility champion. Why doesn't NFB spend equal time on >>>>> other companies, especially google, which is still behind Apple and >>>>> someways, but they call them a champion? I say as I have said before and >>>>> should probably stop saying, follow the money. Google sponsor their >>>>> convention as a champion. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 6:13 AM, Dacia Cole <dacia.l...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Here is a link to all the resolutions that we voted on for the 2016 >>>>>> convention. As someone who was there, there was lots of discussion >>>>>> about the apple resolution and the general consensus was that we love >>>>>> what apple is doing, but that there is always room for improvement. >>>>>> >>>>>> https://nfb.org/2016-resolutions >>>>>> >>>>>> thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> Dacia >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 8/25/16, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> More criticism of the NFB that they're enfatuated with Apple than I >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> that they're Apple bashers. I tend to think neither is true and this >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> more the view of the individual making this claim than it is of the >>>>>>> entire NFB organization. I'd suggest looking at the whole issue, all >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> the statements and resolutions passed by the NFB and not basing and >>>>>>> publiching an opinion like this just based on something someone >>>>>>> heard. >>>>>>> For example, I'd rather see a link to this resolution that was passed >>>>>>> so >>>>>>> I can make up my own mind. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 25/08/16 07:03, Bill Gallik wrote: >>>>>>>> I recently learned of a questionable “resolution” passed at the NFB >>>>>>>> convention singling out Apple for a lack of appropriate >>>>>>>> prioritization to >>>>>>>> accessibility while giving other tech companies a complete pass >>>>>>>> despite >>>>>>>> far more egregious non-concert on the part of those other companies. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now, there’s this alarmist tidbits surfacing about an unpleasant >>>>>>>> surprise >>>>>>>> in iOS 9.3.4. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I personally know of a “tech Instructor” at the local Lighthouse who >>>>>>>> is an >>>>>>>> avowed Apple basher. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I find this obvious irrational animosity for Apple to be without any >>>>>>>> merit >>>>>>>> whatsoever. It certainly causes me to have very little regard for >>>>>>>> NFB and >>>>>>>> that organization’s leadership. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This reminds me of the childhood game “King of the Mountain” where >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> object of the game is to occupy the highest point on the gaming >>>>>>>> grounds >>>>>>>> (usually a snow bank here in the upper Midwest). That being the >>>>>>>> object >>>>>>>> meant that once you achieved the highest point all other gamers were >>>>>>>> determined to knock you down in the belief that they would then >>>>>>>> occupy >>>>>>>> that high point. 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