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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Devin Prater Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 5:10 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: nfb RESOLUTION [WAS "Re: Let's Play "King of the Mountain""] Thank you for that information, Wane. I appreciate it. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 25, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Wayne Merritt <wcmerr...@gmail.com <mailto:wcmerr...@gmail.com> > wrote: After reading a few messages on this thread, I submit the following: To those that say that the NFB hasn't spoken against other major tech companies, like Microsoft, Google and Amazon: if you look back at the NFB resolutions since 2009, you will find around 20 passed that were directed either in praise or disappointment with accessibility products from Microsoft, Google and Amazon. Anyone recall all of the almost yearly resolutions and protests that the nFB made against Amazon over the Kindle line? Yes, that Kindle that many of you have on your desk and your enjoyment of its services, you can thank the NFB for access to that Kindle. The NFB has spoken up over other access issues, like the many Google apps, Microsoft services, and access issues from other companies like the Nook from Barnes & Noble. And how many resolutions were passed against Apple? Counting this year's: 4. Think what you will, but this has nothing to do with money. If it were about money, then the NFB would not have brought resolutions/lawsuits against Target, Google, or Microsoft, among others. Regards, Wayne On 8/25/16, Regina Alvarado <reggie.alvar...@gmail.com <mailto:reggie.alvar...@gmail.com> > wrote: Well said Jonathan! I was not going to get into this fight. I have had some issues also. However, I really understood what Jonathan was saying. I am deeply grateful to Apple for putting a screen reader directly in its operating system, but they truly can do better just as we all can. NFB only pointed this out, and I, for one, hope next year is Android's turn along with other things like nonaccessible web sites and other technology that has not caught up. I have my own thoughts and issues with NFB, but they are holding Apple's feet to the fire and hopefully will do the same for other technology companies. Unfortunately, they have a past history of planting their feet on one entity and stomping them. I know. I was there when they went completely off the grid on a guide dog school which had problems which its students were taking care of. This is another example, but a needed statement too. Perhaps another technology user next year will take on the writing of a resolution against Google or Microsoft or any number of tech companies, and I sincerely hope NFB will pass it with as much gusto as this one. I hope they are not protecting companies that give them money. However, if this had anything to do with Apple making improvement, as a lot of beta testers say, then I am happy. reggie & Lex On Aug 25, 2016, at 12:29 PM, Mário Navarro <mario....@gmail.com <mailto:mario....@gmail.com> > wrote: Mary, my answer to you is: read the post from Jonathan Mosen. http://mosen.org/that-nfb-resolution/ Às 17:15 de 25/08/2016, Mary Otten escreveu: Mario, Since you don't know me or anything about my history, you are way out of bounds with your criticism. Just because I don't fall into lockstep, and I'm not willing to ignore the fact that the Federation gets money from other vendors, whom they didn't do not criticize and resolutions, does not make me ungrateful for progress. I am not going to walk in lockstep behind anyone. I have sat in too many meetings with Federation us who simply would not change their opinion on anything despite data. And I have also sat in other meetings with Federationists who were quite the opposite. No one and no organization is perfect and beyond criticism. I certainly agree that the quality assurance problems with Apple products as well as many others in the software field are serious. But the fact that the Federation takes money from other equally guilty, if not more guilty vendors, and then does not produce resolutions calling on them to up their quality game, well, it's rather suspicious don't you think? Never mind answering that, it was a rhetorical question. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Aug 25, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Mário Navarro <mario....@gmail.com <mailto:mario....@gmail.com> > wrote: you are of those only has intelligence to criticize what others do for you ... You should criticize less and work more for the cause of the blind and accessibility. instead, you are those who are always waiting for others to do for you. NFB never done anything for you? read this and learn. https://nfb.org/2016-resolutions Às 16:46 de 25/08/2016, Mary Otten escreveu: Two years in a row, and if he has had resolutions which specifically called out Apple. At the first of those conventions, they were calling Google and accessibility champion. Why doesn't NFB spend equal time on other companies, especially google, which is still behind Apple and someways, but they call them a champion? I say as I have said before and should probably stop saying, follow the money. Google sponsor their convention as a champion. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 25, 2016, at 6:13 AM, Dacia Cole <dacia.l...@gmail.com <mailto:dacia.l...@gmail.com> > wrote: Here is a link to all the resolutions that we voted on for the 2016 convention. As someone who was there, there was lots of discussion about the apple resolution and the general consensus was that we love what apple is doing, but that there is always room for improvement. https://nfb.org/2016-resolutions thanks, Dacia On 8/25/16, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com <mailto:chalt...@gmail.com> > wrote: More criticism of the NFB that they're enfatuated with Apple than I have that they're Apple bashers. I tend to think neither is true and this is more the view of the individual making this claim than it is of the entire NFB organization. I'd suggest looking at the whole issue, all of the statements and resolutions passed by the NFB and not basing and publiching an opinion like this just based on something someone heard. For example, I'd rather see a link to this resolution that was passed so I can make up my own mind. On 25/08/16 07:03, Bill Gallik wrote: I recently learned of a questionable “resolution” passed at the NFB convention singling out Apple for a lack of appropriate prioritization to accessibility while giving other tech companies a complete pass despite far more egregious non-concert on the part of those other companies. Now, there’s this alarmist tidbits surfacing about an unpleasant surprise in iOS 9.3.4. I personally know of a “tech Instructor” at the local Lighthouse who is an avowed Apple basher. I find this obvious irrational animosity for Apple to be without any merit whatsoever. It certainly causes me to have very little regard for NFB and that organization’s leadership. This reminds me of the childhood game “King of the Mountain” where the object of the game is to occupy the highest point on the gaming grounds (usually a snow bank here in the upper Midwest). 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