Rajmund,

Whatever.  What is written is what is written!

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rajmund
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 3:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Home in iOS 10.1.1

Hi Todd, 
Well said. Sometimes, rather than new features, bugs should be fixed. 



Sent from a Braille Sense 

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From: Todd Patkus  <tpte...@gmail.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, November 18, 2016 9:23 pm
Subject: RE: Home in iOS 10.1.1

>
>
> Sieghard,
> 
> The app store, iTunes store, Phone, Mail, and settings are the ones that I 
> consider to remain.  I did not say ALL should be "non-native" but those apps 
> that are absolutely useless, such as voice memos, stocks, should never be 
> native but non-native.  That is where I stand for.
> 
> It is simply that a lot of the apps are simply useless and should never have 
> been native in the first place.  They missed the point.  I was one of the 
> ones who spoke out loudly at Apple.  They cannot expect everyone to have 
> their products.  When they said it, I simply ignored and made a blunt 
> statement to them making them realize they are just wasting such efforts 
> making them native.  That cannot be so.
> 
> Meantime, I see still bugs there.  Apple needs to do more than just release 
> new versions of the iOS.  They need to learn to do more thorough diagnoses to 
> ensure the apps work correctly before releasing them.  Think about it.
> 
> Todd
> 
> 
> 
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> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 2:55 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Home in iOS 10.1.1
> 
> Hi Todd,
> 
> The good news is that as of iOS 10 you can in fact delete native apps such as 
> Mail, Voice Memos, Stocks, Calculator and so on. There are still some which 
> are essentials to the operation of the phone which can't be deleted and that 
> of course makes sense. These are apps like the App Store, Settings and so on.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
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> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Todd Patkus
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 12:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Home in iOS 10.1.1
> 
> Hello there, Sieghard,
> 
> I have a Braille Sense U2 Mini, so I would have to find the correct commands 
> for that.
> 
> As for that app Home, it is totally useless to me, and I have no need for it. 
>  So I would have kicked that goofy (smile) app out for good.
> 
> The only thing I abhor about Apple is that they tend to put many apps on all 
> products that are often useless and cannot be deleted completely due to them 
> being native apps.  That really sucks!  Yes, these folks at Apple Inc. are 
> missing something in a large way.
> 
> Not just Apple but other companies do the same.  I just do not understand how 
> these folks act like this.  they like to show off by saying there are apps 
> you need but the opposite is true.
> 
> It is just a real goof on them!
> 
> Thank you, Sieghard, for the information concerning the Home app.
> 
> Todd
> 
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> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 2:11 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Home in iOS 10.1.1
> 
> Hi Todd,
> 
> Apple has come up with a standard for home automation devices. These are 
> things like connected thermostats, lights like the Philipps Hue, door locks, 
> automated sprinkler control systems, cameras, devices to open and close 
> curtains or blinds and so on. If you have any such devices and they support 
> Apple's Home Kit standard they will appear in the Home app.
> 
> I don't have a braille display, but maybe you know what commands to use if I 
> tell you how I delete apps and if you have ever moved apps you are half way 
> there. First, if I swipe up or down on any app on any home screen, Voiceover 
> says "Arrange Apps". At that point you can swipe up  or down again with one 
> finger and this will go back and forth between "Activate Item" or "Move" 
> followed by the name of the app.  If you then double tap on "Activate Item" 
> you will be asked if you want to delete the app and you can confirm and it 
> will be deleted.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Todd Patkus
> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 10:36 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Home in iOS 10.1.1
> 
> Chris,
> 
> You mean that app is more for managing your personal doings?
> 
> It is still on my iPhone now.  How do one remove that Home app?  Remember I 
> am deafblind so I am a strong Braille user.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Todd
> 
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> christopher hallsworth
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 12:30 AM
> To: Viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Home in iOS 10.1.1
> 
> Hi
> 
> The "home" app is the hub for managing homekit devices. I simply removed it 
> in the very first, and I mean very first, non-public, beta of iOS 10, as I 
> have no homekit devices and was simply not interested.
> 
> 
> > On 18 Nov 2016, at 04:09, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > To all:
> >  
> > Many of you may know this, but wonder if any of y'all know exactly what the 
> > Home app that was appended to iOS 10.1.1 is for?  Exactly what does Home do?
> >  
> > If any of y'all have used it for a time, share some of your experiences 
> > with it.
> >  
> > Todd
> > 
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