Well, this could be get me kicked off the list, although I hope not. I would suggest that in the future, we all ignore post from this individual because he has shown a persistent inability to understand that his complaints are personal, privilege, entitled, and have no place on this list. Todd, if you can't shape up, get an android device, find some android list, and see how you get on there. Otherwise leave us alone. Mary Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 20, 2016, at 8:12 PM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Todd, > You keep telling us to think twice? I think you are the one who needs to > do this. Everyone is making the point that there are apps that are preferred > and used, and to say Apple forces too many on their customers is, again, a > very general and subjective statement based on your personal opinion. You > keep saying not all the apps, yet you infer that there are more than enough > that shouldn’t be on the devices at all. Yet, it has been repeatedly stated > that many customers Want those apps present on their devices. So, how is > Apple wrong? Most of them can be deleted in iOS 10, and those that cannot be > removed can be conveniently placed elsewhere and don’t consume the kind of > space on a device as probably was the case when we only had 8 and 16 GB > models out there. I have 128 GB on my iPhone, so a few stock apps placed in > folders is not using any real estate I’m personally worried about. At this > point, I think a lot of people are only filling devices with video and audio > far more than the applications. > > > Take Care > > John D. Panarese > Director > Mac for the Blind > Tel, (631) 724-4479 > Email, j...@macfortheblind.com > Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com > > APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer > > AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE > > MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT > > > >> On Nov 20, 2016, at 11:02 PM, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Victor, >> >> You are missing. I never said “all”. I mean it because not all the apps do >> for me. I just want y’all to understand that Apple cannot expect everyone >> or as many as possible to use their products. That is just full of bologna. >> Yes, they throw too many apps on their customers who may not use them! >> Think twice. >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> Of Victor Gouveia >> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 9:50 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS >> >> Todd, they are useless to you. I happen to use Health, home, and >> entertainment. >> >> Just because they are useless because you don’t use them, shouldn’t mean you >> can make blanket statements like the one you used. >> >> Victor >> >> From: Todd Patkus >> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 9:14 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: RE: Delete & remove in iOS >> >> Mary, >> >> Wait a minute. >> >> I never said I want them “all” gone. I said that most of the apps like >> Home, Health, Stocks, and Entertainment are simply useless. >> >> Therefore, you are missing something. Yes, you have the wrong impression >> that I want them all gone. Not true! >> >> That is why I said Apple is really screwed up anyway. They do not know what >> they are thinking. they just like to throw a lot of stuff at us for >> nothing. That is it. >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >> Of Mary Otten >> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 7:37 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS >> >> A lot of that stuff that you don't like on that separate page was present, >> just in other places, like notifications. I don't use it much either. But I >> don't have to mess with it if I don't want to. You seem to think that they >> should do everything just because you wanted that way. That is a whole lot >> of entitlement coming for one guy. >> Mary >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >>> On Nov 20, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Sieghard, >>> >>> You forgot about the new page that shows all kinds of items. I do not >>> care. That “new” page that appeared in iOS 10.1 really sucks and should be >>> omitted. I do not need that. What a real waste! >>> >>> Do not overlook this one! >>> >>> Todd >>> >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >>> Of Sieghard Weitzel >>> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:56 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: RE: Delete & remove in iOS >>> >>> Hi John, >>> >>> I usually move all the apps I don’t use or use extremely rarely to whatever >>> the last home page is for me, in my case it is page 4. Now that so many >>> apps can be deleted there are very few that go on that page. Stocks and >>> iBooks are two examples, both can be deleted but I keep them just because >>> occasionally a PDF needs to open in iBooks or I may in fact want to know >>> how a particular stock is doing. This way they are out of the way where I >>> never need to go which to me is even better than putting them into a folder >>> which I then have on a home page I do use. I wouldn’t even call this >>> bloatware, apart from essential apps there are only a few which can’t be >>> deleted. Yes, Health is one of them, for me that is OK because I use it >>> frequently and I’m pretty sure quite a few of us on this list do use it on >>> a pretty regular bases as many of us have compatible devices like scales or >>> blood pressure monitors etc. Anyhow, judging from the responses I have seen >>> it would that only one person has a real issue with the fact that there are >>> maybe 2 or 3 apps which can’t be deleted, as Christopher said, if we start >>> getting into minor details like that .there must be very few major ones. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Sieghard >>> >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >>> Of John Panarese >>> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:42 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS >>> >>> Again, Todd, because you or I might not have any use for them, it >>> doesn’t mean that others don’t use them. Move them into a folder as I’ve >>> done with the apps I don’t use. You can tell Apple accessibility all you >>> want, but it doesn’t change the fact you are a single user and there are >>> millions of others who make use of the apps you or I may not consider >>> important or useful. Apple is far from the only company who unfortunately >>> has what might be called bloatware on their systems. I agree with you that >>> it would be nice to have the ability to delete some apps, but I also >>> understand why this isn’t the case. Thus, again, that’s why you can create >>> folders. >>> >>> >>> Take Care >>> >>> John D. Panarese >>> Director >>> Mac for the Blind >>> Tel, (631) 724-4479 >>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com >>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com >>> >>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer >>> >>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >>> >>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Nov 20, 2016, at 7:37 PM, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Sieghard, >>>> >>>> The point here is that Apple Inc. cannot expect everyone or as many as >>>> possible to use all their apps like this. They need to change for the >>>> better. >>>> >>>> Sieghard, I have absolutely no use for Health and Home , but do not say >>>> they “cannot be” deleted. It simply makes no sense. >>>> >>>> Think twice. >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> Todd >>>> >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >>>> Of Sieghard Weitzel >>>> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 6:32 PM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: RE: Delete & remove in iOS >>>> >>>> Hi Mary, >>>> >>>> Such bad words and on a Sunday… naughty, naughty *smile*. >>>> Health can indeed not be deleted and so far I found that apps like Phone, >>>> Messages, Settings, Camera, Health, App Store, Photos/Videos and a few >>>> others can’t be deleted as they are pretty crutial to iOS core >>>> functionality. >>>> Home, however, can be deleted, I just tested it since I didn’t have >>>> anything in it right now and it goes away. >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Sieghard >>>> >>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf >>>> Of Mary Otten >>>> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:28 PM >>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: Delete & remove in iOS >>>> >>>> My guess is that health and home can't be deleted because they're not >>>> just simple apps. If you can't deal with that by putting them on the last >>>> page of your device into a folder that you may name trash or whatever, I >>>> suggest you get an android and see if you like that any better. This is >>>> such a non-issue. Just move the damn things where you don't have to look >>>> at them and forget about it. Why is that hard? >>>> Mary >>>> >>>> Mary >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Nov 20, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Todd Patkus < >>>>> tpte...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> All: >>>>> >>>>> Now you realize why I stood very firm about what I said of the delete >>>>> issue? >>>>> >>>>> One person on this list claimed that Home app can be deleted, but, when I >>>>> tried doing so, it will not. It says “Your Homekit will not be deleted”. >>>>> This really sucks. I have absolutely no need for it. >>>>> >>>>> Yes, y’all need to understand that. That is what Apple Inc. fails to >>>>> realize. >>>>> >>>>> Also, Health app does not show “activate” or “Arranging apps”. 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