Jim,

We on the AppleVis don't blow smoke. If we have done that in the past I
certainly like to hear about it. I certainly like to say that AppleVis has
always been a reliable source of information.

As for the App Store issues this may not be a major issue if you consider
turning VO on and off to do certain things. However, this is a pain for most
others. The Features and the Charts I don't believe you can just do by
turning on and off the VO.

I will make this statement on behalf of AppleVis. The App Store is the only
major problems we have found. As for the other issues with in the IOS 6
itself is very minor. There are bugs but nothing major at all. I don't
believe we have ever said there were major issues but we have said there
were other issues.

So I don't like the way people on here would say we at AppleVis are blowing
smoke.

Regards,
AnonyMouse
AppleVis Editorial Team
www.AppleVis.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of James Mannion
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over

I agree and I don't know why they said that. It bothers me that they did. If
they were going to go as far as they did, they could at leastmention the
areas they were referring to. Let's hope they were blowing smoke and the
others are right that there are not other major issues. A few have said
there are not.

Jim

On 9/16/12, John Diakogeorgiou <jdiakoge2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The thread on AppleVis implied that there are other problems as well.
> However from what I am reading hear it doesn't look that way. If the 
> only problem that exists is that the app store is hard to use than 
> unlike others I don't really care since I can do the same thing using
iTunes.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Daniel Miller
> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:12 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
>
> Hi,
>
> Also, you guys need to realize the changes to the store aren't going 
> to be completely rolled out until iOS 6 launches on Wednesday, so for 
> those that can vouch for what Jonathon said, me being one of them, 
> there's a chance we won't see improvements until the store changes are
completely rolled out.
> Even if there are none, I'm sure it's something easily fixable since 
> the changes to the stores don't' require a new version of iOS itself.
> Just my 2 cents, take it or leave it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 7:52 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
>
> OK, this is my personal experience. The sky isn't falling in, and the 
> App Store isn't inaccessible. I update apps in iOS6 daily. I think it 
> is true to say that the information conveyed by VoiceOver could be 
> more helpful.
>
> First, the behaviour of the App Store has changed. As has already been 
> said in this thread, you no longer need to enter your password when you
update.
> You do, however, contrary to some speculation in blogs a while ago, 
> still have to enter your password when you install a free app.
>
> When you update an app, you are no longer taken out of the App Store 
> and placed on the page the app is installed on. Instead, you simply 
> stay in the App Store, right where you are. When you double tap the 
> update button, I can see nothing that gives you confirmation that the 
> app update has begun downloading. However, if you go to your home 
> screen right away, you will be able to see that it in fact has, 
> because you can see the percentage of the download and install 
> changing.
>
> So in no way do I think this should be seen as a reason not to update. 
> yes, it would be nice if the update button changed to an updating, or 
> downloading, button after it is pressed, but it isn't inaccessible at all.
>
> Jonathan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos
> Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012 12:44 p.m.
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
>
> Hello Jonathan, since many things have already been said and 
> speculated on, I would say that if you have information which helps to 
> clear things up, go right ahead. I'll let you be the judge of how much you
can say.
>
> Hopefully people will read this thread in its entirety before commenting.
>
> Lastly, to everyone, I still recommend you read all about the new 
> changes before you upgrade. The reason is because once you do, you 
> can't go back, and if you really don't like something, then you will 
> be forced to deal with it sooner than later. As it is, you will have 
> to move forward at some point, but maybe by not jumping the gun so 
> quickly, you won't be as surprised.
>
> Cheers.
>
> --
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> On 9/16/2012 6:58 PM, Jonathan Mosen wrote:
>> I'd very much like to comment on this thread, but I would like 
>> clarification on whether the moderators are happy for the thread to 
>> continue given that those of us using iOS6 are still supposed to be 
>> under
> NDA.
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of James Mannion
>> Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012 10:22 a.m.
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Cc: kliph...@gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
>>
>> Ok, other than the completely rediculously breaking functionality in 
>> updating apps, are there any other voiceover accessibility issues or 
>> reliability issues?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jim
>>
>> On 9/16/12, Kliphton <kliph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I've been using it since thursday, and yes v o is snappier, 
>>> especially in iMessage.  There are some new features in mail, and we 
>>> even have a do not disturb feature.  That's all for now, let's wait 
>>> for
> Wednesday.
>>> On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:34 AM, Avnish Chopra <sen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 48 hours left before we download the new IOS 6.0 with vo. Does anybody
>>>> know what improvements invoice over? I am really curious.   Thank you!
>>>>
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