Hi siegards,
Yes you are right.
I think the same way.

That's why I ask your opinion.
For us, blind, the most important thing is really a good battery power, VO at its best without a lot of bugs, great_accessibility and a síri much more sophisticated.

Yes síri still has a lot to learn from Google...
Yes, I agree Apple had the duty to do more and better  with síri...
Anyway, I just ask a new iPhone with a big screen, a powerful battery, and with technology of top...
thank you.
cheers.


Às 16:35 de 16/06/2017, Sieghard Weitzel escreveu:
Hi Mario,

To be honest, as a blind user I couldn't care less about Promotion or OLED 
displays except for the fact that these may result in better battery life in 
which case I am all for it. Don't get hung up on a feature which will probably 
benefit you very little if at all.
I wish instead of Promotion Apple would have announced this amazing leep forward with SIRI and 
because of said leep SIRI is now better than Amazon Alexa, Microsoft Cortana and Google Assistant 
combined and it's going to take all three companies 3 years to catch up... Well, I can dream, can't 
I? Instead SIRI gets a new voice. Yes, it's a nicer voice, but really? Who cares how SIRI tells you 
"Sorry, I can't do this" or "I found some results on the web about your 
request".
The lack of SIRI advancement just about offsets all the other things which were 
announced.
The other day I received a text message, actually an iMessage, and I used SIRI saying 
something like "Reply I just sent you an email, please check it and get back to 
me".
Next thing I know SIRI asked to whom I wanted to send the email to. I said "Reply" at the 
beginning to trigger a reply to the text message that had just arrived, but because I mentioned 
"email" in the text of the message stupid SIRI thought I wanted to send an email. Give me 
a break.
A couple of weeks ago I asked SIRI "When is the Calgary Stampede in 2017". For those who don't know, the 
Calgary Stampede is the biggest rodeo and outdoor show in the world with over 1 Million visitors. SIRI answered by 
telling me the date of the next "Calgary Stampeders" game, I think that is Calgary's football team. I then 
opened the Google Search app, said "OK Google" and asked the same question phrased the exact same way and 
Google replied "According to Global News the Calgary Stampede runs from July 7 to the 16th".
When I just tried it again SIRI answered "OK, I found something on the web for When 
is the Calgary Stampede in 2017, take a look".
Anyhow, we all can go on an on about how incredibly stupid SIRI can be when it 
comes to asking such questions, but apparently Apple doesn't think the smart 
assistant they invented needs to become smarter or maybe now that SIRI is 6 
years old it is incapable of learning anything else so they instead they do 
some plastic surgery to make her sound younger. Sounds like an aging actress 
who thinks getting a face lift will revive her once promising career.


Regards,
Siegards,
Sieghard

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Thank you sieghard
Promotion scrolling, this was my fear with VO.
Sieghard, What you think.
   apple is going to adopt this new technology in  the new iPhones?

There is much talk in OLED, but instead, we can get the promotion?
Or we can have a fusion of OLED with promotion?


What do you think of this?
Thanks.
Cheers.


Às 04:03 de 16/06/2017, Sieghard Weitzel escreveu:
Hi Mario,

Agreed, I doubt it will make much if any difference for a Voiceover user except 
that if it indeed results in better battery life we of course also benefit from 
that. Here a bit more along the lines of what Daniel already pointed out in the 
form of an article from iMore:

Apple's new adaptive screen refresh technology is going to change how
we look at devices If I had to pick the WWDC announcement that made my week, it'd have to 
be Apple's newest display technology, ProMotion. Essentially, it makes the new iPad Pro 
feel faster without compromising on battery life. But simply saying "faster" 
doesn't do justice to how ProMotion is going to not only improve the iPad Pro experience 
— or the experience of Apple's other computing platforms in the future.
Here's everything you ever wanted to know about ProMotion — and then
some. (Because I can't help but geek out about display technology.)

Apple describes it as such:
A new [display] technology that delivers refresh rates of up to 120Hz for fluid 
scrolling, greater responsiveness and smoother motion content. With ProMotion, 
Apple Pencil is even more responsive with an industry-best, 20-millisecond 
latency for even more fluid and natural drawing. ProMotion also improves 
display quality and reduces power consumption by automatically adjusting the 
display refresh rate to match the movement of the content.

In English: ProMotion makes your scrolling look smoother, text crisper, and 
drawing virtually lag-free. And it does it all while saving battery life and 
keeping your video from looking like a bad HDTV set.

Is ProMotion hardware or software?
It's a hardware component of Apple's new iPad Pro displays, though APIs in iOS 
help make it adaptive.

If you want to read more, check out the rest of the imore article:
https://www.imore.com/promotion

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hi Daniel.

Oh, okay. Thank you for that.
cheers.


Às 23:02 de 15/06/2017, Daniel Miller escreveu:
Hi. No, ProMotion is a strictly visual adjustment. It will not affect voiceover 
users in the slightest. There's no need to even worry about it. All the 
technology does this tell the iPad went to refresh the screen based on what 
you're doing with it. It's mainly meant for the pencil, and video content.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 15, 2017, at 5:16 PM, Mário Navarro <mario....@gmail.com> wrote:






And I had forgotten the most important and what the world demands.
The battery power.

I'm sick of having to charge the battery of the normal  iPhone screens to or 3 
times a day...
And I don't have to spend more money on an iPhone plus just to have more 
battery power...
cheers.


Às 19:17 de 15/06/2017, Sieghard Weitzel escreveu:
Promotion is an iOS 11 feature and while I assume Apple will figure out how to 
make this accessible as much as it can be made accessible, we won't know how 
useful it is for visually impaired users until iOS 11 is out of the bag. Once 
the public beta for iOS 11 is available at the end of June or beginning of July 
you could always buy the iPad then, install the iOS 11 public beta and try it 
out. I believe you have 30 days to return the iPad if you don't like it.
Just out of curiocity, what is it that makes you want to buy an iPad?

Regards,
Sieghard

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Hello,
I am not sure about your first question. As for the second question, no the 
iPad will not support 3d Touch. The reason is tat the screen is to big. It is a 
technical limitation of the technology.

Regards,
Greg Wocher
d
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Hi

I'm thinking of buying the new iPad pro 10.5, but I'm in doubt with two things.

1. Is voice over compatible with the new ProMotion technology of the iPad 
screen?
2. Does this new screen support the new 3D force touch feature?
I did a google search about this feature in this new iPad, and what I read is 
that this new screen does not support 3D force touch.
Will this change with the coming of IOS 11?
Please, what are your thoughts.
thanks.
cheers.

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Às 19:17 de 15/06/2017, Sieghard Weitzel escreveu:
Promotion is an iOS 11 feature and while I assume Apple will figure out how to 
make this accessible as much as it can be made accessible, we won't know how 
useful it is for visually impaired users until iOS 11 is out of the bag. Once 
the public beta for iOS 11 is available at the end of June or beginning of July 
you could always buy the iPad then, install the iOS 11 public beta and try it 
out. I believe you have 30 days to return the iPad if you don't like it.
Just out of curiocity, what is it that makes you want to buy an iPad?

Regards,
Sieghard

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Subject: Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.

Hello,
I am not sure about your first question. As for the second question, no the 
iPad will not support 3d Touch. The reason is tat the screen is to big. It is a 
technical limitation of the technology.

Regards,
Greg Wocher
d
On Jun 15, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Mário Navarro <mario....@gmail.com> wrote:




Hi

I'm thinking of buying the new iPad pro 10.5, but I'm in doubt with two things.

1. Is voice over compatible with the new ProMotion technology of the iPad 
screen?
2. Does this new screen support the new 3D force touch feature?
I did a google search about this feature in this new iPad, and what I read is 
that this new screen does not support 3D force touch.
Will this change with the coming of IOS 11?
Please, what are your thoughts.
thanks.
cheers.

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