I have the iPhone seven with the largest capacity available. I think I'll wait for several years before I go for a new phone.
Alan Sent from my iPhone 5s > On Sep 13, 2017, at 8:55 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: > > Sounds like somebody who wants to be heard, from all I have seen so far Apple > has really nailed this and I assume it will be much more intuitive and easy > to use as this person makes it out to be. As he said, he hasn’t tried it yet > and therefore it’s all just speculation. Apparently what Samsung has done so > far is a bit of a joke since it’s possible to fool their phones to unlock > when you show them a picture of a person. > Apple said during their keynote that with Touch Id there was a 1 in 50,000 > chance somebody else could unlock yourphone with their finger print, with > Face Id they say the chance somebody elses face will unlock your phone is 1 > in a Million unless it’s an identical twin. > Where I do see it as more cumbersome is for blind people, I have a Roots > leather belt holster which when the phone is in it upside down as it has to > be because the headphone jack is on the bottom there is just a 1 inch wide > strap with magnetic closure over the phone and if you lift this up about the > third bottom part of the screen is exposed. This means I can unlock my 6S > Plus with Touch Id while I have it in my belt holster and I can open an app > in the dock or on the bottom two rows of the home screen and so on. Also, > sometimes in the winter I might unlock my phone in the pocket of my coat for > some easy operations and this of course won’t be possible any more unless I > enter my passcode which is a lot more difficult to do with one hand when I am > walking and have the phone in my pocket. > OK so I guess it’s all a mute point for me personally since I am not planning > to buy an iPhone X nor for that matter an iPhone 8 or 8 Plus, just had too > many other large expenses this year like getting the roof on my house done, > we bought a new sofa/love seat/recliner chair set for our living room and a > few new expensive woodworking tools somehow ended up in my shop, too. If I > were still on an iPhone 6 or even a 5S it would be different, but my wife has > a 6S and I have the 6S Plus, both phones are in great shape and work > flawlessly, battery is still good and so we’ll wait until next fall to > upgrade. I would be surprised if Apple wouldn’t push Face Id and make it a > feature on all of their phones and maybe even iPads next year although now > that they have the “normal” 8 and 8 Plus and the iPhone X I would also be > surprised if they don’t continue with this trend and make a premium phone in > addition to 2 or 3 regular ones similar to how they have the iPad Pro. OLED > screens of course probably also become standard so it will be interesting to > see what they come up with to set a high-end phone apart from the rest so > that people are willing to spend an extra couple of hundred Dollars on it, > maybe I’m wrong and next year all phnes will get Face Id, OLED screen and > everything else which sets the iPhone X apart this year. > > Regards, > Sieghard > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Mary Otten > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 8:40 PM > To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com; > viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and here’s why > > > I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and here’s why > Ars Technica / Ron Amadeo > > > Enlarge / This right here. This gesture. Doing this 80 times a day sucks. > The all-new iPhone X is out, and it's packed with technology. But one thing > it's not packed with is a fingerprint sensor. Like many phones in 2017, the > iPhone X goes for a nearly all-screen design, which means there's no more > room for a front Touch ID sensor. Rather than locate a fingerprint sensor on > the back, like many phones have done, Apple chose to do away with Touch ID > entirely. Instead, the X is relying only on the new "Face ID" facial > recognition feature for biometric security. > > Face ID on the iPhone X uses a "TrueDepth" camera setup, which blasts your > face with more than 30,000 infrared dots and scans your face in 3D. Apple > says this can "recognize you in an instant" and log you into your phone. > None of that matters. Face ID is still going to suck. > > This is not the first phone we've tried with a facial recognition feature, > and they all have the same problem. It doesn't matter how fast or accurate > Face ID is, the problem is the ergonomics: you need to aim it at your face. > This is slow and awkward, especially when compared to a fingerprint reader, > which doesn't have to be aimed at anything. > > Consider the "taking it out of your pocket" use case: If you're good, you'll > stick your hand in your pocket and grip the phone so your finger lands on the > fingerprint reader. Touch ID works as both an "on" button and an > "authentication" button. In one touch, you've turned on the phone and logged > in. You haven't even fully taken the phone out of your pocket yet, and it's > already on and unlocked. By the time you bring the phone to your face, the > unlock process is finished and you're looking at the home screen. > > To use the iPhone X's Face ID, you have take the phone out of your pocket, > lift it up to your face, swipe up to turn it on, and only then can can you > start the unlock process. The difference is probably one or two seconds, but > for something you do 80 times a day, having the fastest possible unlock > system really matters. > > > Hardware involved in Apple's True Depth Camera system. > > Example of how Face ID maps and learns your face. > > Demo of Face ID setup. > > Animojis, which move to mimic your facial expressions. > > 3D mask produced with facial recognition on the iPhone X. > > Face ID recognition along with a tap of the side button can authenticate > Apple Pay. > Consider authenticating with Apple Pay. With a fingerprint reader, you can > slam your iPhone on the credit card terminal while holding your finger on the > Touch ID button, and everything will just work. You're continuously > authenticating and beaming credit card data at the same time, which is easy, > intuitive, and hard to mess up. According to Craig Federighi's Face ID demo > during the keynote, you now have to open up Apple Pay first, then aim the > phone at your face so Face ID can work. Only then can you tap against the > credit card terminal. That's two extra steps. > > A fingerprint sensor, because it works by touch, is basically active all the > time. Anytime you need it, you just press it, and it will work. Facial > recognition has to be specifically started by an app though. So to > authenticate a payment, you now have to open Apple Pay first, because > something has to tell the facial recognition system to turn on. If you ignore > this and just put the phone against a credit card terminal without > authenticating, I suspect Apple Pay will open and ask for a Face ID scan, > which won't work because the phone won't be aimed at your face. > > There's also the "on a table" use case: where before you could just press the > home button to unlock the phone, now you'll need to pick it up and, again, > aim it at your face. > > We've kind of already experienced this with the Galaxy S8 (and Note 8). On > that phone, Samsung didn't do away with the fingerprint sensor entirely, but > it has such an awkward size and location that the S8 might as well have not > had a fingerprint sensor at all. The phone design asks users to rely on its > Iris or face recognition for biometrics, and it's just so slow. The "Let me > take a selfie" pose that you have to make every time you unlock the phone is > slow, tiring, and annoying. It requires a pause and a level of precision that > just isn't needed with a fingerprint reader. > I will admit I have not tried Face ID yet, but it's hard to imagine a facial > recognition system that solves the problem of having to carefully aim a phone > at your face. We won't get a chance to try many of these scenarios until we > get some extended time with the phone, but it would take some serious magic > to solve them. > > With a nearly $1000 price tag, Apple is billing the iPhone X as its > super-high-end, no-compromise phone, but the lack of a fingerprint sensor is > going to be a big downside. Sure, there's no room on the front anymore, but > plenty of phones have an easy and ergonomic rear fingerprint reader, and it's > something Apple could have done while it waits for that mythical under-screen > fingerprint technology to work. > > Facial recognition is just not a good idea for a device that doesn't always > need to be aimed directly at your face. I can't imagine Face ID won't feel > like a big step backwards compared to Touch ID. If my experience with the > Galaxy S8 is anything to go by, I suspect a lot of users will just opt to > type in a PIN. > > > > Original Article: https://arstechnica.com/?p=1164837 > > > Sent from my iPhone > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. 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