Just wondering if face ID would work for people with fake eyes hahaa. Not that I’m intending to get that iPhone.
Lelia From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of the.big.apple.n...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 2:04 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and here’s why For those who were wondering if Face ID would work with sunglasses there is an article from MacDaily news out saying Face ID works with most sunglasses. Maria Reyes Owner of the following groups- Apple 411: apple411+subscr...@groups.io iMessage/FaceTime: the.big.apple.n...@gmail.com On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 11:45 AM -0400, "Alan Paganelli" <alanandsuza...@earthlink.net <mailto:alanandsuza...@earthlink.net> > wrote: I have the iPhone seven with the largest capacity available. I think I'll wait for several years before I go for a new phone. Alan Sent from my iPhone 5s On Sep 13, 2017, at 8:55 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote: Sounds like somebody who wants to be heard, from all I have seen so far Apple has really nailed this and I assume it will be much more intuitive and easy to use as this person makes it out to be. As he said, he hasn’t tried it yet and therefore it’s all just speculation. Apparently what Samsung has done so far is a bit of a joke since it’s possible to fool their phones to unlock when you show them a picture of a person. Apple said during their keynote that with Touch Id there was a 1 in 50,000 chance somebody else could unlock yourphone with their finger print, with Face Id they say the chance somebody elses face will unlock your phone is 1 in a Million unless it’s an identical twin. Where I do see it as more cumbersome is for blind people, I have a Roots leather belt holster which when the phone is in it upside down as it has to be because the headphone jack is on the bottom there is just a 1 inch wide strap with magnetic closure over the phone and if you lift this up about the third bottom part of the screen is exposed. This means I can unlock my 6S Plus with Touch Id while I have it in my belt holster and I can open an app in the dock or on the bottom two rows of the home screen and so on. Also, sometimes in the winter I might unlock my phone in the pocket of my coat for some easy operations and this of course won’t be possible any more unless I enter my passcode which is a lot more difficult to do with one hand when I am walking and have the phone in my pocket. OK so I guess it’s all a mute point for me personally since I am not planning to buy an iPhone X nor for that matter an iPhone 8 or 8 Plus, just had too many other large expenses this year like getting the roof on my house done, we bought a new sofa/love seat/recliner chair set for our living room and a few new expensive woodworking tools somehow ended up in my shop, too. If I were still on an iPhone 6 or even a 5S it would be different, but my wife has a 6S and I have the 6S Plus, both phones are in great shape and work flawlessly, battery is still good and so we’ll wait until next fall to upgrade. I would be surprised if Apple wouldn’t push Face Id and make it a feature on all of their phones and maybe even iPads next year although now that they have the “normal” 8 and 8 Plus and the iPhone X I would also be surprised if they don’t continue with this trend and make a premium phone in addition to 2 or 3 regular ones similar to how they have the iPad Pro. OLED screens of course probably also become standard so it will be interesting to see what they come up with to set a high-end phone apart from the rest so that people are willing to spend an extra couple of hundred Dollars on it, maybe I’m wrong and next year all phnes will get Face Id, OLED screen and everything else which sets the iPhone X apart this year. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 8:40 PM To: macvoiceo...@freelists.org <mailto:macvoiceo...@freelists.org> ; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com> ; viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and here’s why I’m worried that FaceID is going to suck—and here’s why Ars Technica / Ron Amadeo Enlarge <https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/10-1.jpg> / This right here. This gesture. Doing this 80 times a day sucks. The all-new iPhone X <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/09/apples-radically-different-smartphone-is-called-the-iphone-x/> is out, and it's packed with technology. But one thing it's not packed with is a fingerprint sensor. Like many phones in 2017, the iPhone X goes for a nearly all-screen design, which means there's no more room for a front Touch ID sensor. Rather than locate a fingerprint sensor on the back, like many phones have done, Apple chose to do away with Touch ID entirely. Instead, the X is relying only on the new "Face ID" facial recognition feature for biometric security. Face ID on the iPhone X uses a "TrueDepth" camera setup, which blasts your face with more than 30,000 infrared dots and scans your face in 3D. Apple says this can "recognize you in an instant" and log you into your phone. None of that matters. Face ID is still going to suck. This is not the first phone we've tried with a facial recognition feature, and they all have the same problem. It doesn't matter how fast or accurate Face ID is, the problem is the ergonomics: you need to aim it at your face. This is slow and awkward, especially when compared to a fingerprint reader, which doesn't have to be aimed at anything. Consider the "taking it out of your pocket" use case: If you're good, you'll stick your hand in your pocket and grip the phone so your finger lands on the fingerprint reader. Touch ID works as both an "on" button and an "authentication" button. In one touch, you've turned on the phone and logged in. You haven't even fully taken the phone out of your pocket yet, and it's already on and unlocked. By the time you bring the phone to your face, the unlock process is finished and you're looking at the home screen. To use the iPhone X's Face ID, you have take the phone out of your pocket, lift it up to your face, swipe up to turn it on, and only then can can you start the unlock process. The difference is probably one or two seconds, but for something you do 80 times a day <https://techpinions.com/apples-penchant-for-consumer-security/45122> , having the fastest possible unlock system really matters. Hardware involved in Apple's True Depth Camera system. Example of how Face ID maps and learns your face. Demo of Face ID setup. Animojis, which move to mimic your facial expressions. 3D mask produced with facial recognition on the iPhone X. Face ID recognition along with a tap of the side button can authenticate Apple Pay. Consider authenticating with Apple Pay. With a fingerprint reader, you can slam your iPhone on the credit card terminal while holding your finger on the Touch ID button, and everything will just work. You're continuously authenticating and beaming credit card data at the same time, which is easy, intuitive, and hard to mess up. According to Craig Federighi's Face ID demo during the keynote, you now have to open up Apple Pay first, then aim the phone at your face so Face ID can work. Only then can you tap against the credit card terminal. That's two extra steps. A fingerprint sensor, because it works by touch, is basically active all the time. Anytime you need it, you just press it, and it will work. Facial recognition has to be specifically started by an app though. So to authenticate a payment, you now have to open Apple Pay first, because something has to tell the facial recognition system to turn on. If you ignore this and just put the phone against a credit card terminal without authenticating, I suspect Apple Pay will open and ask for a Face ID scan, which won't work because the phone won't be aimed at your face. There's also the "on a table" use case: where before you could just press the home button to unlock the phone, now you'll need to pick it up and, again, aim it at your face. We've kind of already experienced this with the Galaxy S8 <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/04/samsung-galaxy-s8-review-shiny-new-hardware-meets-old-software-habits/> (and Note 8 <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/08/hands-on-with-the-galaxy-note8-havent-we-seen-this-before/> ). On that phone, Samsung didn't do away with the fingerprint sensor entirely, but it has such an awkward size and location <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/04/samsung-galaxy-s8-review-shiny-new-hardware-meets-old-software-habits/3/#h1> that the S8 might as well have not had a fingerprint sensor at all. The phone design asks users to rely on its Iris or face recognition for biometrics, and it's just so slow. The "Let me take a selfie" pose that you have to make every time you unlock the phone is slow, tiring, and annoying. It requires a pause and a level of precision that just isn't needed with a fingerprint reader. I will admit I have not tried Face ID yet, but it's hard to imagine a facial recognition system that solves the problem of having to carefully aim a phone at your face. We won't get a chance to try many of these scenarios until we get some extended time with the phone, but it would take some serious magic to solve them. With a nearly $1000 price tag, Apple is billing the iPhone X as its super-high-end, no-compromise phone, but the lack of a fingerprint sensor is going to be a big downside. Sure, there's no room on the front anymore, but plenty of phones have an easy and ergonomic rear fingerprint reader, and it's something Apple could have done while it waits for that mythical under-screen fingerprint technology <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/06/qualcomm-vivo-show-off-slow-but-convenient-under-display-fingerprint-sensor/> to work. Facial recognition is just not a good idea for a device that doesn't always need to be aimed directly at your face. I can't imagine Face ID won't feel like a big step backwards compared to Touch ID. If my experience with the Galaxy S8 is anything to go by, I suspect a lot of users will just opt to type in a PIN. Original Article: https://arstechnica.com/?p=1164837 Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> . 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