Hi mary,

You are so worried about Face Id yet you want to buy one of the new phones?
I am not worried about it at all and actually think for me it would be better 
since often when I do lots of woodworking I can't use Touch Id for days because 
my fingers have little cuts, I get glue on them etc.
I have a 6S Plus and had the battery replaced by Apple a little over 3 months 
ago and while I'd love to have a waterproof phone, I see little other incentive 
to upgrade.
I guess if I were on a plan where I paid lots of money to have the option to 
upgrade every year I'd of course do it, but at this point I like my $49 plan 
(canadian Dollars) with unlimited calling, texting and 6Gb of data so that 
means for me that I'd have to buy a phone at full price and that's just not 
happening. I am, however, much more tempted by the Apple Watch 4, my wife and I 
both have second generation Apple Watches and I do find it frustrating how slow 
they sometimes are.

Regards,
Sieghard

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Cristobal Muñoz
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Um yeah, no. My phone stays in my pocket or in my hand. 

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Otten
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 8:34 PM
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 Presumably nothing. But have you never been out in public and had your iPhone 
on the table say at a coffee shop or wherever. What would stop somebody from 
snatching your iPhone even if it was locked and that’s it for you? I just think 
it’s a security issue. And it’s one that has been totally glossed over by most 
folks. Imagine you’re in a big city. Can’t you imagine the notion that somebody 
could take your phone and unlock it and go away and you never even knew it was 
gone until it was too late? Haven’t you heard of folks having their pockets 
picked? Again I say, it is a security issue. Not for too many people, because 
it wouldn’t affect the sighted. And apparently it doesn’t affect all blind 
people, although I do know folks who say that even for them, when they can’t 
use the attention feature, went home, they have a turned off, because it is a 
hassle.
Mary


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> On Sep 12, 2018, at 8:23 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> Mary,
> 
> If somebody really wants your iPhone and they want it unlocked what would 
> stop them from just grabbing you, take the iPhone and put your finger on the 
> Touch Id.
> Also, even if somebody did as you describe, they run away with your phone 
> unlocked after snatching it and pointing it at your face they still could not 
> remove the requirement for a passcode or Face Id since if you try to get into 
> that section in Settings you have to enter your PIN.
> Also, if you are somewhat quick you could easily put your hand in front of 
> your face if you noticed somebody snatched your phone and I doubt Face Id 
> would work if most of your face was covered by your hand.
> I don't yet have a phone with Face Id and won't have one for at least another 
> year since I currently don't see the need to upgrade and my wife and I have 
> other plans which require spending money, but I think once you get used to it 
> it will be perfectly fine and in many cases better since Touch Id is not 
> perfect, either. 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
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> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 7:47 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: face id question
> 
> If you have a tension on, you’re fine. If you don’t, not so much.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Sep 12, 2018, at 7:39 PM, Deb Cook Lewis <deblewi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> But then, anyone could unlock it, right? I wouldn't necessarily like 
>> that. I'm not planning to upgrade at all right now, but eventually of 
>> course I want to. But if there's no security?
>> 
>> 
>>> On 9/12/18, Michael Maslo <michaelmasl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hello Hank, yes you can get past this without a problem. When you 
>>> get a phone that uses facial ID and if you are a voiceover user, the 
>>> attention part  of facial ID is automatically turned off. When this 
>>> happens, all you have to do is have your camera towards  your face 
>>> and it will unlock your phone. Hope this helps
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> 
>>> Michael maslo
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 12, 2018, at 21:19, The wolf <hank.smith...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello I keep meaning to ask this
>>>> 
>>>> on face id if a person does not have any eye muscle control how can 
>>>> they get around the face id?
>>>> 
>>>> if I were to ever get a iphone with touch id this could possibly be 
>>>> a issue for me.
>>>> 
>>>> can any one tell me if people have gotten around this?
>>>> 
>>>> Hank
>>>> 
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