Hello Janet,
What is saying that if you unlock your phone using your finger some one does 
not come up and take the phone from you also? I do not have to hold it up to my 
face. Most times it is on my lap and I just glance at it.

We was wondering if you have ever tried facial I'd previously to make these 
statements or assumptions? 
 

Sincerely,

Michael maslo

> On Sep 13, 2018, at 11:24, janet gross <janet.harv...@outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary and all, 
> Well, I have to admit, if I'm walking down the street or sitting in a 
> restaurant and I want to unlock my phone for whatever reason, I would feel 
> like a real idiot pulling my phone out of my purse, and just holding it up to 
> my face, so now, I've unlocked my phone so someone can just walk right pass, 
> and grab the phone, but who knows, they just might say thank you!  
> Janet 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 10:13 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: face id question
> 
> Hi Sieghard,
> Yes, I am upset about the security ramifications of face ID. In my own 
> personal use case, living where I do and with my current mobility 
> limitations, thank you chemotherapy, it’s not a huge deal for me. But I can’t 
> see it being a big deal for others. So it’s not all about me.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2018, at 11:46 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi mary,
>> 
>> You are so worried about Face Id yet you want to buy one of the new phones?
>> I am not worried about it at all and actually think for me it would be 
>> better since often when I do lots of woodworking I can't use Touch Id for 
>> days because my fingers have little cuts, I get glue on them etc.
>> I have a 6S Plus and had the battery replaced by Apple a little over 3 
>> months ago and while I'd love to have a waterproof phone, I see little other 
>> incentive to upgrade.
>> I guess if I were on a plan where I paid lots of money to have the option to 
>> upgrade every year I'd of course do it, but at this point I like my $49 plan 
>> (canadian Dollars) with unlimited calling, texting and 6Gb of data so that 
>> means for me that I'd have to buy a phone at full price and that's just not 
>> happening. I am, however, much more tempted by the Apple Watch 4, my wife 
>> and I both have second generation Apple Watches and I do find it frustrating 
>> how slow they sometimes are.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
>> Cristobal Muñoz
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 9:02 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: face id question
>> 
>> Um yeah, no. My phone stays in my pocket or in my hand. 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Mary 
>> Otten
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 8:34 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: face id question
>> 
>> Presumably nothing. But have you never been out in public and had your 
>> iPhone on the table say at a coffee shop or wherever. What would stop 
>> somebody from snatching your iPhone even if it was locked and that’s it for 
>> you? I just think it’s a security issue. And it’s one that has been totally 
>> glossed over by most folks. Imagine you’re in a big city. Can’t you imagine 
>> the notion that somebody could take your phone and unlock it and go away and 
>> you never even knew it was gone until it was too late? Haven’t you heard of 
>> folks having their pockets picked? Again I say, it is a security issue. Not 
>> for too many people, because it wouldn’t affect the sighted. And apparently 
>> it doesn’t affect all blind people, although I do know folks who say that 
>> even for them, when they can’t use the attention feature, went home, they 
>> have a turned off, because it is a hassle.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 12, 2018, at 8:23 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mary,
>>> 
>>> If somebody really wants your iPhone and they want it unlocked what would 
>>> stop them from just grabbing you, take the iPhone and put your finger on 
>>> the Touch Id.
>>> Also, even if somebody did as you describe, they run away with your phone 
>>> unlocked after snatching it and pointing it at your face they still could 
>>> not remove the requirement for a passcode or Face Id since if you try to 
>>> get into that section in Settings you have to enter your PIN.
>>> Also, if you are somewhat quick you could easily put your hand in front of 
>>> your face if you noticed somebody snatched your phone and I doubt Face Id 
>>> would work if most of your face was covered by your hand.
>>> I don't yet have a phone with Face Id and won't have one for at least 
>>> another year since I currently don't see the need to upgrade and my wife 
>>> and I have other plans which require spending money, but I think once you 
>>> get used to it it will be perfectly fine and in many cases better since 
>>> Touch Id is not perfect, either. 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
>>> Mary Otten
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 7:47 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: face id question
>>> 
>>> If you have a tension on, you’re fine. If you don’t, not so much.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 12, 2018, at 7:39 PM, Deb Cook Lewis <deblewi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> But then, anyone could unlock it, right? I wouldn't necessarily like 
>>>> that. I'm not planning to upgrade at all right now, but eventually of 
>>>> course I want to. But if there's no security?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 9/12/18, Michael Maslo <michaelmasl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hello Hank, yes you can get past this without a problem. When you 
>>>>> get a phone that uses facial ID and if you are a voiceover user, the 
>>>>> attention part  of facial ID is automatically turned off. When this 
>>>>> happens, all you have to do is have your camera towards  your face 
>>>>> and it will unlock your phone. Hope this helps
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Michael maslo
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 12, 2018, at 21:19, The wolf <hank.smith...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello I keep meaning to ask this
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> on face id if a person does not have any eye muscle control how can 
>>>>>> they get around the face id?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> if I were to ever get a iphone with touch id this could possibly be 
>>>>>> a issue for me.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> can any one tell me if people have gotten around this?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hank
>>>>>> 
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