Deleting works fine, but there is one additional step which was introduced, probably by accident, but it is perfectly accessible. Here is how it works:
After you activate the "master delete" as I like to call it at the top, one swipe to the left of Refresh, swipe to your book title, then left once to delete. Double tap it and then another delete button shows up and you again swipe left once to get to it, double tap it and the book will be deleted. I think at one point for a short time a delete option was available on the rotor and I think Audible really should put delete and other actions such as Book Details, Mark as Finished and so on in the rotor for Voiceover users, it would be a much better and more consistent experience. But as I said, it still works. Regards, Sieghard -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Marie N. Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 7:57 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Voice dream reader update Speaking of Audible accessibility, there is a bug currently which I have verified with Audible. A couple of updates ago they changed the method for deleting books from your device and to put it bluntly, it does not work. I am running the beta of IOS 12 on my 6S and 11.4.1 on my eight and the problem exists on both version. They are aware of the issue but have not yet fixed it, so please send them feedback on the problem. I used Audible extensively and need to be able to delete. Marie -----Original Message----- From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 7:44 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Voice dream reader update I agree with Mary's and Richard's assessment, but Devin is also correct in saying that the statement " Updates are just as likely to break the app as improve it" is a bit broad. Typically when the word "break" is used it refers to accessibility and definitely there are a lot of companies and developers who have prooven that accessibility is important and their apps have continued to be just fine for years. Sonos is one example, Audible has been good for many years and there are lots of others. Regards, Sieghard -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 7:37 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Voice dream reader update Richard, you nailed it. I continue to use VDR because it’s the best thing out there as far as I am concerned. But I am not at all anxious to have to rebuild this library yet again. Smile. So if there are other features other than the ones mentioned in the release notes on the App Store, I’m interested to know what those are. Or do I have to have this update when I go to iOS 12? It didn’t say that. So I assume I’m going to stick with what I have and can still upgrade to the new iOS. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 17, 2018, at 7:00 AM, Richard Turner > <richardturne...@outlook.com> > wrote: > > Mary's experience has nothing to do with accessibility. > She has an extremely large library, and twice, the organizational > structure was corrupted and she had to build it again from scratch, twice. > I think she may have also lost some files and had to track them down > again. > So, I can understand her reluctance to update it for features she is > not interested in. > If I were her, I wouldn't update either unless it was clear there was > something else worth updating for or Winston could assure her that her > library will not get screwed up yet again. > > As far as accessibility goes, yes, Voice Dream is one of the best. > The fact that Mary didn't dump the app completely after the second > time of having to rebuild a huge library says a lot for how good Voice > Dream is compared to all other apps of its kind. > > Richard > > > > “Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip > under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips > > -----Original Message----- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of > Devin Prater > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:52 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Voice dream reader update > > No, I must disagree there. Updates, especially for app makers like > Voice Dream, LLC, who strive to make accessible apps, will not usually > break accessibility, because they have good Beta testers, and probably > test the updates with VoiceOver themselves. Please try not to spread > fear, uncertainty, and doubt about updating most apps. Sure, apps like > Messenger have had major problems in the past, but that's because of > arrogant Facebook not taking accessibility seriously, in my opinion. . > > Devin Prater > Assistive Technology Instructor certified by World Services for the > Blind JAWS certified > >> On Sep 17, 2018, at 5:04 AM, kelby carlson <kelbycarl...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Updates are just as likely to break the app as improve it. (This goes >> for all apps.) >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 17, 2018, at 12:21 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Well, Andy, I have been bitten in the butt before with updates. >>> Losing library and having to rebuild them. So I’m not too interested >>> in just updating for updating say. >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Sep 16, 2018, at 9:19 PM, Andy Baracco <w...@socal.rr.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> If the update is free, why not? >>>> Updates usually contain under the hood improvements and bug fixes. >>>> Andy >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Otten" >>>> <maryot...@comcast.net> >>>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>; <mac4thebl...@freelists.org> >>>> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 9:03 PM >>>> Subject: Voice dream reader update >>>> >>>> >>>> I see that there is a Voice Dream reader update out which says it >>>> has compatibility with iOS 12. The only things mentioned in the >>>> notes are Siri shortcuts and reading list. And the specific thing >>>> about Siri shortcuts relates to reading list. So if you don’t care >>>> about reading list which I don’t, why update? 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