Thanks for this. I truly thought I had tried everything to delete the books
but apparently I was wrong. Bad as I hate admitting it, I sometimes do err.
Thanks again.
Marie
-----Original Message-----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 8:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Voice dream reader update
Deleting works fine, but there is one additional step which was introduced,
probably by accident, but it is perfectly accessible. Here is how it works:
After you activate the "master delete" as I like to call it at the top, one
swipe to the left of Refresh, swipe to your book title, then left once to
delete. Double tap it and then another delete button shows up and you again
swipe left once to get to it, double tap it and the book will be deleted.
I think at one point for a short time a delete option was available on the
rotor and I think Audible really should put delete and other actions such as
Book Details, Mark as Finished and so on in the rotor for Voiceover users,
it would be a much better and more consistent experience. But as I said, it
still works.
Regards,
Sieghard
-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Marie
N.
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 7:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voice dream reader update
Speaking of Audible accessibility, there is a bug currently which I have
verified with Audible. A couple of updates ago they changed the method for
deleting books from your device and to put it bluntly, it does not work. I
am running the beta of IOS 12 on my 6S and 11.4.1 on my eight and the
problem exists on both version. They are aware of the issue but have not yet
fixed it, so please send them feedback on the problem. I used Audible
extensively and need to be able to delete.
Marie
-----Original Message-----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 7:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Voice dream reader update
I agree with Mary's and Richard's assessment, but Devin is also correct in
saying that the statement " Updates are just as likely to break the app as
improve it" is a bit broad. Typically when the word "break" is used it
refers to accessibility and definitely there are a lot of companies and
developers who have prooven that accessibility is important and their apps
have continued to be just fine for years. Sonos is one example, Audible has
been good for many years and there are lots of others.
Regards,
Sieghard
-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Mary
Otten
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 7:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voice dream reader update
Richard, you nailed it. I continue to use VDR because it’s the best thing
out there as far as I am concerned. But I am not at all anxious to have to
rebuild this library yet again. Smile. So if there are other features other
than the ones mentioned in the release notes on the App Store, I’m
interested to know what those are. Or do I have to have this update when I
go to iOS 12? It didn’t say that. So I assume I’m going to stick with what I
have and can still upgrade to the new iOS.
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 17, 2018, at 7:00 AM, Richard Turner
<richardturne...@outlook.com>
wrote:
Mary's experience has nothing to do with accessibility.
She has an extremely large library, and twice, the organizational
structure was corrupted and she had to build it again from scratch, twice.
I think she may have also lost some files and had to track them down
again.
So, I can understand her reluctance to update it for features she is
not interested in.
If I were her, I wouldn't update either unless it was clear there was
something else worth updating for or Winston could assure her that her
library will not get screwed up yet again.
As far as accessibility goes, yes, Voice Dream is one of the best.
The fact that Mary didn't dump the app completely after the second
time of having to rebuild a huge library says a lot for how good Voice
Dream is compared to all other apps of its kind.
Richard
“Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip
under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips
-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of
Devin Prater
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 6:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voice dream reader update
No, I must disagree there. Updates, especially for app makers like
Voice Dream, LLC, who strive to make accessible apps, will not usually
break accessibility, because they have good Beta testers, and probably
test the updates with VoiceOver themselves. Please try not to spread
fear, uncertainty, and doubt about updating most apps. Sure, apps like
Messenger have had major problems in the past, but that's because of
arrogant Facebook not taking accessibility seriously, in my opinion. .
Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor certified by World Services for the
Blind JAWS certified
On Sep 17, 2018, at 5:04 AM, kelby carlson <kelbycarl...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Updates are just as likely to break the app as improve it. (This goes
for all apps.)
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 17, 2018, at 12:21 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, Andy, I have been bitten in the butt before with updates.
Losing library and having to rebuild them. So I’m not too interested
in just updating for updating say.
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 16, 2018, at 9:19 PM, Andy Baracco <w...@socal.rr.com> wrote:
If the update is free, why not?
Updates usually contain under the hood improvements and bug fixes.
Andy
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Otten"
<maryot...@comcast.net>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>; <mac4thebl...@freelists.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 9:03 PM
Subject: Voice dream reader update
I see that there is a Voice Dream reader update out which says it
has compatibility with iOS 12. The only things mentioned in the
notes are Siri shortcuts and reading list. And the specific thing
about Siri shortcuts relates to reading list. So if you don’t care
about reading list which I don’t, why update? Is there anything in
here that isn’t mentioned that makes it worthwhile to take a chance?
Mary
Sent from my iPhone
--
The following information is important for all members of the V
iPhone list.
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this
list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please
contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on
the list itself.
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached
at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach
Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
The archives for this list can be searched at:
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fww
w
.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F&data=02%7C01%
7
C%7C6b133b8ffc8b47bb386808d61ca4bda7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaa
a
aaa%7C1%7C0%7C636727891204081817&sdata=Tx0hgQvIvC6jwvklvJfnl5uQ
x
KOJ2C%2BZS9EGDbkJKoo%3D&reserved=0
--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the
Google Groups "VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,
send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fgroup%2Fviphone&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6b133b8ffc8b47bb386808d61ca4bda7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636727891204081817&sdata=P3qQc3oC3232aZmhyhXn1U3nEFnMcIwHoHSRvMu5Muo%3D&reserved=0.
For more options, visit
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Foptout&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6b133b8ffc8b47bb386808d61ca4bda7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636727891204081817&sdata=IUtvBxZUsBK3617meWkr75VGP7e5fHpsyjNfJtEQsiU%3D&reserved=0.
--
The following information is important for all members of the V
iPhone list.
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this
list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please
contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on
the list itself.
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached
at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach
Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
The archives for this list can be searched at:
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fww
w
.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F&data=02%7C01%
7
C%7C6b133b8ffc8b47bb386808d61ca4bda7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaa
a
aaa%7C1%7C0%7C636727891204081817&sdata=Tx0hgQvIvC6jwvklvJfnl5uQ
x
KOJ2C%2BZS9EGDbkJKoo%3D&reserved=0
--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the
Google Groups "VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,
send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fgroup%2Fviphone&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6b133b8ffc8b47bb386808d61ca4bda7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636727891204081817&sdata=P3qQc3oC3232aZmhyhXn1U3nEFnMcIwHoHSRvMu5Muo%3D&reserved=0.
For more options, visit
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Foptout&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6b133b8ffc8b47bb386808d61ca4bda7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636727891204081817&sdata=IUtvBxZUsBK3617meWkr75VGP7e5fHpsyjNfJtEQsiU%3D&reserved=0.
--
The following information is important for all members of the V
iPhone list.
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this
list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please
contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the
list itself.
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at:
mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara
at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
The archives for this list can be searched at:
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.
mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C
%
7C6b133b8ffc8b47bb386808d61ca4bda7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaa
a
%7C1%7C0%7C636727891204081817&sdata=Tx0hgQvIvC6jwvklvJfnl5uQxKOJ
2
C%2BZS9EGDbkJKoo%3D&reserved=0
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Groups "VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,
send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fgroup%2Fviphone&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6b133b8ffc8b47bb386808d61ca4bda7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636727891204081817&sdata=P3qQc3oC3232aZmhyhXn1U3nEFnMcIwHoHSRvMu5Muo%3D&reserved=0.
For more options, visit
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Foptout&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6b133b8ffc8b47bb386808d61ca4bda7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636727891204081817&sdata=IUtvBxZUsBK3617meWkr75VGP7e5fHpsyjNfJtEQsiU%3D&reserved=0.
--
The following information is important for all members of the V
iPhone list.
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list,
or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact
the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at:
mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara
at caraqu...@caraquinn.com
The archives for this list can be searched at:
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.
m
ail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7
C
6b133b8ffc8b47bb386808d61ca4bda7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7
C
1%7C0%7C636727891204081817&sdata=Tx0hgQvIvC6jwvklvJfnl5uQxKOJ2C%2
B
ZS9EGDbkJKoo%3D&reserved=0
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Groups "VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,
send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fgroup%2Fviphone&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6b133b8ffc8b47bb386808d61ca4bda7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636727891204081817&sdata=P3qQc3oC3232aZmhyhXn1U3nEFnMcIwHoHSRvMu5Muo%3D&reserved=0.
For more options, visit
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Foptout&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6b133b8ffc8b47bb386808d61ca4bda7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636727891204081817&sdata=IUtvBxZUsBK3617meWkr75VGP7e5fHpsyjNfJtEQsiU%3D&reserved=0.
--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone
list.
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list,
or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact
the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at:
mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at
caraqu...@caraquinn.com
The archives for this list can be searched at:
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.m
ail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C
6b133b8ffc8b47bb386808d61ca4bda7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C
1%7C0%7C636727891204081817&sdata=Tx0hgQvIvC6jwvklvJfnl5uQxKOJ2C%2B
ZS9EGDbkJKoo%3D&reserved=0
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Groups "VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send
an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fgroup%2Fviphone&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6b133b8ffc8b47bb386808d61ca4bda7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636727891204081817&sdata=P3qQc3oC3232aZmhyhXn1U3nEFnMcIwHoHSRvMu5Muo%3D&reserved=0.
For more options, visit
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Foptout&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6b133b8ffc8b47bb386808d61ca4bda7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636727891204081817&sdata=IUtvBxZUsBK3617meWkr75VGP7e5fHpsyjNfJtEQsiU%3D&reserved=0.
--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone
list.
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list,
or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact
the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at:
mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at
caraqu...@caraquinn.com
The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Groups "VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send
an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if
you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at:
mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at
caraqu...@caraquinn.com
The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if
you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at:
mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at
caraqu...@caraquinn.com
The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if
you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at:
mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at
caraqu...@caraquinn.com
The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if
you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at:
mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at
caraqu...@caraquinn.com
The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
"VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
--
The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you
feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or
moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at:
mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at
caraqu...@caraquinn.com
The archives for this list can be searched at:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email
to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/viphone.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
