Sieghard, thank you for this additional information about screen recording and about the location in control center, and the fact that it's not an app. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sieghard Weitzel To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 1:54 PM Subject: RE: Screen recording with Voiceover
Hi Fazil, Screen Recorder is in Control Centre, touch the time or other item in the status bar at the top of the phone and swipe up with 3 fingers, it is one of the items in the bottom 3 rows of apps in Control Centre. You can customize what is displayed in Control Centre in Settings > Control Centre, but Screen Recording is not an app, i.e. it is not available somewhere on a home screen, it is only available from Control Centre. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Fazil M. Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 11:42 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Screen recording with Voiceover What is the gesture to bring the phone in to screen recording mode? Thanks! From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 6:19 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Screen recording with Voiceover Not Sieghard, but with Screen Recording you get a video of what is happening on the screen along with your narration. Rather than double tapping on Screen Recording, touch it once to get it focused and flick down to open controls and double tap. Then, the microphone button is one flick right I believe, which you want to turn on before going back to the start recording. Also, you want your screen curtain off and brightness at a level a sighted person can see. Voice Memos only records your voice, and probably VoiceOver, but that doesn’t help if you want someone to see what is happening on the screen. HTH, Richard “Definition of an expert: An ex is a has-been and a spirt is a drip under pressure.” – Bruce U. Utah Phillips From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Arlene Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 6:09 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Screen recording with Voiceover Sieghard, we thought we would try testing with the se phones, and this is what we found out. As to your instructions, we went into control center, and located screen recorder, we didn't spend much time with it and we'll definitely spend more time with it later. We didn't find a setting to enable the microphone, however it seemed to be working corectly. If this isn't the same thing I'm getting ready to tell you about then I apologize. However this is what we have. In the phone, in the extras phone using the voice memo recorder it's working as you want it too, recording ourvoices and voice over's voice very clearly. this is with using one of the se phones version 12.1, nad on the other se phone using the prior software version 11.4. The 2 se phones except for the operating system are identical. Thanks for asking your question, getting us interested in this because recording some things may be useful from time to time.At this time we won't be doing any demos, but this would be one way to get one done. On the phone with the current software we downloaded a recording app last summer and hadn't done much with it so far, but it works just as well as the voice memo does, and does actually work the same way including recording our voices and the voice over's voice just how you want it to work. It's called rev. We were going through the apps on applevis and that's where we found it. However, down the way and when time permits we may end up doing some tutorials professionally. We're all about recording. Arlene and Wayne www.alldigitalaudio.com arlenes71...@earthlink.net greenwoo...@cox.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Sieghard Weitzel To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 9:19 PM Subject: Screen recording with Voiceover Hello, I was trying to do a screen recording today to show somebody how to do something with Voiceover. Unfortunately I realized that now in iOS 12 there is no way I could think of to make such a screen recording which includes what Voiceover is speaking. This used to be not easy in iOS 11, either, but it could be accomplished by using a Bluetooth or wired external speaker. Now Voiceover is switched to the Earpiece of the phone where even at full volume it can be barely heard and even though with a Bluetooth speaker Voiceover was speaking loud and clear via the Bluetooth speaker, nothing was picked up by the microphone. My own voice could be heard as I was explaining my gestures, but nothing else. I would really appreciate it if others who have newer phones than me could test this to see if they get the same result. I have a 6S Plus so if people with an iPhone 7, 8, XS or XR could do some testing that would be great. Please make sure you flick down on the Screen Recording icon in Control Centre to Adjust controls and make sure the microphone is turned on before starting. Then try it with just the phone and see if Voiceover remains on the external speaker or switches to the Earpiece and also try it with a Bluetooth speaker or wired external speaker. Below is a message I just wrote to Apple Accessibility regarding this. If your findings match mine please also send a message and feel free to use all or part of my message. Screen recordings which include Voiceover speech can be really useful and they used to work. This way if you encounter an app with unlabeled buttons or other elements which are not spoken correctly by Voiceover you can easily make a demo and send it to the developer to show them. OK, here now is my message: Hello, I'd like to point out what I consider a substantial bug with the Screen Recording feature. If this is not considered a bug then I think it's a big feature omission which should be addressed especially since it used to be different. Here is the problem: If I, as a Voiceover user, start a screen recording with the microphone enabled Voiceover disappears or, to be more exact, it is banished to the earpiece where it can be barely heard. Not only does this make it difficult for a blind user to navigate and perform gestures on the phone, but it also means that only what I say is recorded, whatever Voiceover speaks or does not speak is not captured on the screen recording video. As I said, this used to be different. When screen recording was first introduced as a feature Voiceover continued to speak on the external speaker and what was spoken was captured on the video. This allowed a blind person to demonstrate accessibility issues in apps or iOS itself. If, for example, certain buttons were only spoken as "button" without a description as to their purpose I could have made a screen recording to demonstrate this and then sent the recording to the developer asking if the problem could be fixed in a future update. In iOS 11 or at least the last time I used screen recording for this purpose which I am pretty sure was in iOS 11, I could still accomplish this by connecting to a Bluetooth speaker, the audio would remain on the Bluetooth speaker and would be captured on the video. Today I wanted to make a screen recording to show somebody how to do something in an app and while Voiceover continued to speak via the Bluetooth speaker, after I finished and played back the video I heard my own voice as I was explaining the gestures I performed, but there was no trace of Voiceover which really baffles me because all along Voiceover could be heard loud and clear via the Bluetooth speaker. How is it possible that my voice which is an external sound is recorded, but Voiceover coming from the Bluetooth speaker, also an external sound, was not picked up by the microphone? I use an iPhone 6S Plus so after this didn't work with a Bluetooth speaker I used a wired speaker and plugged it into the 3.5mm audio jack of my iPhone. Once again Voiceover came from the speaker loud and clear. I started the screen recording and made sure that microphone was turned on. 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