Arlene, If you made a screen recording it would be in your Photos app, could you please send it to the list or myself directly as an attachment so I can hear how it sounds differently or, as you say, normally, this would help me in my discussion with Apple Accessibility. All you have to do is locate the video in the Photos app, double tap on it, then find the Share button, select Mail and send it to Viphone@GoogleGroups.com<mailto:Viphone@GoogleGroups.com> if you want to post it to the list or send it to me directly, the email address is siegh...@live.ca<mailto:siegh...@live.ca> I would really be very interested since you would be the first person who can make a screen recording where Voiceover is heard loud and clear.
Thanks, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Arlene Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 6:14 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Screen recording with Voiceover Sieghard, we followed your instructions, and I think we tested recording in both screen recorder and voice memo and with both our voices and voice over can be heard very clearly. I know the concern you have isn't about voice memo, but we did want to try both. As I said I'm quite sure we did test screen recording even though at first we weren't sure what you meant, but I think we did find it. I'll have to go over with Wayne what we did, in case I'm missing something. I hope someone has the answer to remedy this situation with screen recorder for you and others. I possibly might have questions a bit later and if I do I'll write back and ask whatever questions I have about the screen recording. Thanks again for the mentioning of your situation about recording, since it can be so useful in differing situations, that we weren't thinking about. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sieghard Weitzel<mailto:siegh...@live.ca> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 1:45 PM Subject: RE: Screen recording with Voiceover Hello Arlene, Voice Memos is a completely different app, in a way, screen recording is not an app but a function of iOS. I know Voice memos and other recording apps work fine and I see that some people can make a screen recording where Voiceover can be heard although not very loud. I did include instructions on how to enable the microphone for screen recordings in my original message, you do it by flicking up or down on Screen Recorder to "Open Controls" and double tap, then locate the Microphone toggle. From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Arlene Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 6:09 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Screen recording with Voiceover Sieghard, we thought we would try testing with the se phones, and this is what we found out. As to your instructions, we went into control center, and located screen recorder, we didn't spend much time with it and we'll definitely spend more time with it later. We didn't find a setting to enable the microphone, however it seemed to be working corectly. If this isn't the same thing I'm getting ready to tell you about then I apologize. However this is what we have. In the phone, in the extras phone using the voice memo recorder it's working as you want it too, recording ourvoices and voice over's voice very clearly. this is with using one of the se phones version 12.1, nad on the other se phone using the prior software version 11.4. The 2 se phones except for the operating system are identical. Thanks for asking your question, getting us interested in this because recording some things may be useful from time to time.At this time we won't be doing any demos, but this would be one way to get one done. On the phone with the current software we downloaded a recording app last summer and hadn't done much with it so far, but it works just as well as the voice memo does, and does actually work the same way including recording our voices and the voice over's voice just how you want it to work. It's called rev. We were going through the apps on applevis and that's where we found it. However, down the way and when time permits we may end up doing some tutorials professionally. We're all about recording. Arlene and Wayne www.alldigitalaudio.com<http://www.alldigitalaudio.com> arlenes71...@earthlink.net<mailto:arlenes71...@earthlink.net> greenwoo...@cox.net<mailto:greenwoo...@cox.net> ----- Original Message ----- From: Sieghard Weitzel<mailto:siegh...@live.ca> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 9:19 PM Subject: Screen recording with Voiceover Hello, I was trying to do a screen recording today to show somebody how to do something with Voiceover. Unfortunately I realized that now in iOS 12 there is no way I could think of to make such a screen recording which includes what Voiceover is speaking. This used to be not easy in iOS 11, either, but it could be accomplished by using a Bluetooth or wired external speaker. Now Voiceover is switched to the Earpiece of the phone where even at full volume it can be barely heard and even though with a Bluetooth speaker Voiceover was speaking loud and clear via the Bluetooth speaker, nothing was picked up by the microphone. My own voice could be heard as I was explaining my gestures, but nothing else. I would really appreciate it if others who have newer phones than me could test this to see if they get the same result. I have a 6S Plus so if people with an iPhone 7, 8, XS or XR could do some testing that would be great. Please make sure you flick down on the Screen Recording icon in Control Centre to Adjust controls and make sure the microphone is turned on before starting. Then try it with just the phone and see if Voiceover remains on the external speaker or switches to the Earpiece and also try it with a Bluetooth speaker or wired external speaker. Below is a message I just wrote to Apple Accessibility regarding this. If your findings match mine please also send a message and feel free to use all or part of my message. Screen recordings which include Voiceover speech can be really useful and they used to work. This way if you encounter an app with unlabeled buttons or other elements which are not spoken correctly by Voiceover you can easily make a demo and send it to the developer to show them. OK, here now is my message: Hello, I'd like to point out what I consider a substantial bug with the Screen Recording feature. If this is not considered a bug then I think it's a big feature omission which should be addressed especially since it used to be different. Here is the problem: If I, as a Voiceover user, start a screen recording with the microphone enabled Voiceover disappears or, to be more exact, it is banished to the earpiece where it can be barely heard. Not only does this make it difficult for a blind user to navigate and perform gestures on the phone, but it also means that only what I say is recorded, whatever Voiceover speaks or does not speak is not captured on the screen recording video. As I said, this used to be different. When screen recording was first introduced as a feature Voiceover continued to speak on the external speaker and what was spoken was captured on the video. This allowed a blind person to demonstrate accessibility issues in apps or iOS itself. If, for example, certain buttons were only spoken as "button" without a description as to their purpose I could have made a screen recording to demonstrate this and then sent the recording to the developer asking if the problem could be fixed in a future update. In iOS 11 or at least the last time I used screen recording for this purpose which I am pretty sure was in iOS 11, I could still accomplish this by connecting to a Bluetooth speaker, the audio would remain on the Bluetooth speaker and would be captured on the video. Today I wanted to make a screen recording to show somebody how to do something in an app and while Voiceover continued to speak via the Bluetooth speaker, after I finished and played back the video I heard my own voice as I was explaining the gestures I performed, but there was no trace of Voiceover which really baffles me because all along Voiceover could be heard loud and clear via the Bluetooth speaker. How is it possible that my voice which is an external sound is recorded, but Voiceover coming from the Bluetooth speaker, also an external sound, was not picked up by the microphone? I use an iPhone 6S Plus so after this didn't work with a Bluetooth speaker I used a wired speaker and plugged it into the 3.5mm audio jack of my iPhone. Once again Voiceover came from the speaker loud and clear. I started the screen recording and made sure that microphone was turned on. After I finished I played back the video only to find that again I could be heard clearly but Voiceover could not be heard at all. I don't have access to other phones such as an iPhone 7, 8 or higher to see if screen recording behaves differently, but I would really like to urge Apple to consider to make screen recording once again accessible and, what is equally important, useful for a visually impaired user with respect to making a demo which includes what Voiceover speaks. Best regards, Sieghard -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. 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