HI, I can definitely confirm this problem. When I hit start recording, VoiceOver will go to the earpiece. I can still hear it but it's not very loud. At least while I was recording. I will send the attachment in a separate message.
> On Nov 4, 2018, at 9:19 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: > > Arlene, > > If you made a screen recording it would be in your Photos app, could you > please send it to the list or myself directly as an attachment so I can hear > how it sounds differently or, as you say, normally, this would help me in my > discussion with Apple Accessibility. > All you have to do is locate the video in the Photos app, double tap on it, > then find the Share button, select Mail and send it to > Viphone@GoogleGroups.com if you want to post it to the list or send it to me > directly, the email address is siegh...@live.ca > I would really be very interested since you would be the first person who can > make a screen recording where Voiceover is heard loud and clear. > > Thanks, > Sieghard > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Arlene > Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 6:14 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Screen recording with Voiceover > > Sieghard, we followed your instructions, and I think we tested recording in > both screen recorder and voice memo and with both our voices and voice over > can be heard very clearly. I know the concern you have isn't about voice > memo, but we did want to try both. As I said I'm quite sure we did test > screen recording even though at first we weren't sure what you meant, but I > think we did find it. I'll have to go over with Wayne what we did, in case > I'm missing something. I hope someone has the answer to remedy this situation > with screen recorder for you and others. I possibly might have questions a > bit later and if I do I'll write back and ask whatever questions I have about > the screen recording. Thanks again for the mentioning of your situation > about recording, since it can be so useful in differing situations, that we > weren't thinking about. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sieghard Weitzel > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2018 1:45 PM > Subject: RE: Screen recording with Voiceover > > Hello Arlene, > > Voice Memos is a completely different app, in a way, screen recording is not > an app but a function of iOS. I know Voice memos and other recording apps > work fine and I see that some people can make a screen recording where > Voiceover can be heard although not very loud. I did include instructions on > how to enable the microphone for screen recordings in my original message, > you do it by flicking up or down on Screen Recorder to "Open Controls" and > double tap, then locate the Microphone toggle. > > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Arlene > Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 6:09 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Screen recording with Voiceover > > Sieghard, we thought we would try testing with the se phones, and this is > what we found out. As to your instructions, we went into control center, and > located screen recorder, we didn't spend much time with it and we'll > definitely spend more time with it later. We didn't find a setting to enable > the microphone, however it seemed to be working corectly. If this isn't the > same thing I'm getting ready to tell you about then I apologize. However this > is what we have. In the phone, in the extras phone using the voice memo > recorder it's working as you want it too, recording ourvoices and voice > over's voice very clearly. this is with using one of the se phones version > 12.1, nad on the other se phone using the prior software version 11.4. The 2 > se phones except for the operating system are identical. Thanks for asking > your question, getting us interested in this because recording some things > may be useful from time to time.At this time we won't be doing any demos, but > this would be one way to get one done. On the phone with the current software > we downloaded a recording app last summer and hadn't done much with it so > far, but it works just as well as the voice memo does, and does actually work > the same way including recording our voices and the voice over's voice just > how you want it to work. It's called rev. We were going through the apps on > applevis and that's where we found it. However, down the way and when time > permits we may end up doing some tutorials professionally. We're all about > recording. > Arlene and Wayne > www.alldigitalaudio.com > > arlenes71...@earthlink.net > greenwoo...@cox.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sieghard Weitzel > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 9:19 PM > Subject: Screen recording with Voiceover > > Hello, > > I was trying to do a screen recording today to show somebody how to do > something with Voiceover. Unfortunately I realized that now in iOS 12 there > is no way I could think of to make such a screen recording which includes > what Voiceover is speaking. This used to be not easy in iOS 11, either, but > it could be accomplished by using a Bluetooth or wired external speaker. Now > Voiceover is switched to the Earpiece of the phone where even at full volume > it can be barely heard and even though with a Bluetooth speaker Voiceover was > speaking loud and clear via the Bluetooth speaker, nothing was picked up by > the microphone. My own voice could be heard as I was explaining my gestures, > but nothing else. > > I would really appreciate it if others who have newer phones than me could > test this to see if they get the same result. I have a 6S Plus so if people > with an iPhone 7, 8, XS or XR could do some testing that would be great. > Please make sure you flick down on the Screen Recording icon in Control > Centre to Adjust controls and make sure the microphone is turned on before > starting. Then try it with just the phone and see if Voiceover remains on the > external speaker or switches to the Earpiece and also try it with a Bluetooth > speaker or wired external speaker. > > Below is a message I just wrote to Apple Accessibility regarding this. If > your findings match mine please also send a message and feel free to use all > or part of my message. Screen recordings which include Voiceover speech can > be really useful and they used to work. This way if you encounter an app with > unlabeled buttons or other elements which are not spoken correctly by > Voiceover you can easily make a demo and send it to the developer to show > them. OK, here now is my message: > > Hello, > > I'd like to point out what I consider a substantial bug with the Screen > Recording feature. If this is not considered a bug then I think it's a big > feature omission which should be addressed especially since it used to be > different. Here is the problem: > > If I, as a Voiceover user, start a screen recording with the microphone > enabled Voiceover disappears or, to be more exact, it is banished to the > earpiece where it can be barely heard. > Not only does this make it difficult for a blind user to navigate and perform > gestures on the phone, but it also means that only what I say is recorded, > whatever Voiceover speaks or does not speak is not captured on the screen > recording video. > > As I said, this used to be different. When screen recording was first > introduced as a feature Voiceover continued to speak on the external speaker > and what was spoken was captured on the video. This allowed a blind person to > demonstrate accessibility issues in apps or iOS itself. If, for example, > certain buttons were only spoken as "button" without a description as to > their purpose I could have made a screen recording to demonstrate this and > then sent the recording to the developer asking if the problem could be fixed > in a future update. > In iOS 11 or at least the last time I used screen recording for this purpose > which I am pretty sure was in iOS 11, I could still accomplish this by > connecting to a Bluetooth speaker, the audio would remain on the Bluetooth > speaker and would be captured on the video. Today I wanted to make a screen > recording to show somebody how to do something in an app and while Voiceover > continued to speak via the Bluetooth speaker, after I finished and played > back the video I heard my own voice as I was explaining the gestures I > performed, but there was no trace of Voiceover which really baffles me > because all along Voiceover could be heard loud and clear via the Bluetooth > speaker. > How is it possible that my voice which is an external sound is recorded, but > Voiceover coming from the Bluetooth speaker, also an external sound, was not > picked up by the microphone? > I use an iPhone 6S Plus so after this didn't work with a Bluetooth speaker I > used a wired speaker and plugged it into the 3.5mm audio jack of my iPhone. > Once again Voiceover came from the speaker loud and clear. I started the > screen recording and made sure that microphone was turned on. After I > finished I played back the video only to find that again I could be heard > clearly but Voiceover could not be heard at all. > > I don't have access to other phones such as an iPhone 7, 8 or higher to see > if screen recording behaves differently, but I would really like to urge > Apple to consider to make screen recording once again accessible and, what is > equally important, useful for a visually impaired user with respect to making > a demo which includes what Voiceover speaks. > > Best regards, > Sieghard > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. 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