Rob,
IN my opinion, the beauty of the iPhone's touch screen and VoiceOver is that 
you don't really have to have a good sense of touch.  VoiceOver will tell you 
when you touch the screen.
IN fact, the touch screen is so sensitive, that you barely have to make contact 
before you hear what you have touched.
I've worked with people with pretty severe nneuropathy, who have been able to 
use the iPhone just fine.

But, there are multiple Bluetooth keyboards out there that have very distinct 
keys so if someone can use a keyboard, they can use one of those with the 
iphone and spend only $30 or so.  You can spend a lot more, but it isn't 
necessary unless you want a high end foldable keyboard, but they are not going 
to have as good a keyboard because the keys will be more flattened to allow for 
the folding.

For those who just want the push button concept like what this $299 device 
offers, that is great and they should spend the money.
Or, not bother with a smart phone and stick with the push button variety.

Richard
  
Richard



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-----Original Message-----
From: 'RobH.' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 2:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using Your iPhone Without a Touchscreen

I shouldn't ask probably, but does CRS sell anything like this?  I'm one of the 
unconvinced that touch screen is the b all and end all of smart things.
But a kb has to be quite tactile,  and that is the more so with aging senses, 
including touch.

Thanks, R.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Angie Nutt" <an...@comproom.co.uk>
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Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: Using Your iPhone Without a Touchscreen


In my job I come across plenty of people who have either tried and don’t like 
the touch screen or have tried and just can’t get on 
with it. While I personally use the touch screen most of the time I can 
appreciate why buttons are useful as in making phone calls 
and I would probably find it quicker but I don’t use my iPhone as an actual 
phone that often. I am of course referring to numbers 
not in contacts being quicker to type on a hardware keyboard. I also know quite 
a few who really loved their original RIVo and those 
who have the RIVO 2 seem to feel the same. Personally, I just couldn’t get my 
head round it; it just isn’t for me.



> On 3 Jan 2019, at 16:09, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>
> I think I heard about this before and maybe this is a newer version, but for 
> the most part I am amazed at how much trouble people 
> go to and how much money they spend to take away the strength of the iPhone 
> or, for that matter, other advanced smartphones. I 
> understand that there might be a few cases where a person for whatever reason 
> can't touch the phone, e.g. if they are 
> quadriplegic, have no hands etc. Apple and now Google have put a lot of very 
> smart people to work to come up with this incredible 
> way to make touchscreen devices extremely accessible, apps like Flicktype 
> make typing very efficient with a bit of practice yet 
> some people still think they are better off trying to avoid touching that 
> screen as much as possible. Maybe I miss something here, 
> but I just don't get it.
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Russ 
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