Hello,
My iPhone 6s, which I got in 2015 for a farely cheap contract price,
has lasted me faithfully for 3 and a half years now. They said it
wasn't a referb model, but I don't know, the first message on it is
'welcome to Macedonia,' where I've never been though.
My Dad has had to change his Samsung galaxy 3 times in that period due
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On 1/23/19, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If you get a flagship Android phone you'll get two to three major OS
> updates and not one to two as you state. If you get a cheaper budget
> phone then you may get fewer updates. You'd also get fewer then four to
> five updates if you get an older iPhone for less money.
>
>
> Obviously if you plan to hold on to your phone for four or five years,
> and major OS updates are important to you, then you'll definitely want
> to consider the newest iPhone. There are quite a few people though who
> update their phones more frequently then that, so two or three major OS
> upgrades are plenty. I'm not saying Android phones shouldn't have a
> longer shelf life, but this feature isn't critical for everyone.
>
>
> I agree this article is using a mellow dramatic title to get some
> clicks, and not all of it's facts are spot on, but it is pointing out a
> real issue that I'm sure Apple executives are working hard to address.
> Someone compared this to the situation with Microsoft from a few years
> ago, but just as Microsoft had to remake themselves as a company and
> move their revenue away from a desktop operating system, Apple needs to
> make a similar transformation and generate revenue from sources other
> then smart phone hardware sales.
>
>
> On 1/22/19 9:59 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
>> With the release of iOS 12, this slow down issue was supposedly largely
>> mitigated, at least to the point it could be. I would rather have a phone
>> that I could use for several years, knowing that it would be up-to-date
>> including security, and deal with a little bit of slow down, then have a
>> phone that maybe gets one or possibly two updates at most. The trade-off
>> simply isn’t worth it. And I don’t know about the phones not slowing down.
>> My husband had an HTC phone for three years. At the time he purchased it,
>> it was the flag ship. Not only did not get security update after year too,
>> he said it became sluggish and weird stuff started happening. His words
>> not mine. So he got another android phone this last fall, paying huge
>> dollars for Samsung note 9. And I will bet you that in two years, that
>> phone won’t be seeing updates, where as my iPhone will be. So nuts on
>> android as far as I’m concerned until they improve their longevity.
>> Mary
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 22, 2019, at 4:22 AM, Brett <artibr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Having used both phones for a while, Apple phones do notisably slow down
>>> over time, where as android doesn't. So even if you don't get the latest
>>> updates, you still have a phone as quick as it was the day you bought it.
>>> You can't say that about apple.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Brett.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 22 January 2019 10:45:15 pm Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Not that it changes your argument, but the Pixel 2 and Pixel 3 from
>>>> Google get 3 years of major Android updates and 3 years of security
>>>> patching, not two years of major updates as you state below. Since it
>>>> doesn't impact your point, you might want to check your facts before
>>>> spreading false information.
>>>> https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705?hl=en
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/22/19 12:59 AM, Gordon wrote:
>>>>> Something like this will definitely put a lot of pressure on Apple to
>>>>> make this year's iPhone much better than last year's model. Apple
>>>>> builds their products to last for a long time. If you take care of
>>>>> them you could get five or more years out of a phone. Android really
>>>>> isn't like that since they only give you two updates and three years
>>>>> of security updates. If you currently have an iPhone 5S, you're still
>>>>> in the game. However the Android phones that came out at the same time
>>>>> are probably on their way to a recycling center.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/22/2019 12:51 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
>>>>>> What a bunch of bologna that article is. I have been buying iPhones
>>>>>> since 2010 and I don't ever recall one for $199 or even $299.
>>>>>> "The cheapest iPhone is $1,149", I think he better take a second look
>>>>>> at what an iPhone 7 costs right now.
>>>>>> If fewer iPhone sales is the end of Apple than the reduction of PC
>>>>>> sales should have been the end of Microsoft, but they are far from
>>>>>> their end as is Apple.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf
>>>>>> Of M. Taylor
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 9:17 PM
>>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: The End Of Apple, Forbes Magazine
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The End Of Apple
>>>>>> By Stephen McBride
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Oh man, that's almost a month's rent for me."
>>>>>> Here I am sitting in a cab in New York City.
>>>>>> I'm headed uptown to Columbia University where we'll hold the
>>>>>> first-ever American Disruption Summit. (You can register to watch for
>>>>>> free here.) The driver and I are talking about the absurd price tag
>>>>>> of the latest Apple
>>>>>> (AAPL) iPhone.
>>>>>> He's shocked when I tell him the cheapest model is $1,149.
>>>>>> "Who can afford that?" he asks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apple's Imminent Crash Has Begun
>>>>>> Apple has had an incredible decade.
>>>>>> Since the iPhone debuted in 2007, the company's sales have jumped
>>>>>> tenfold.
>>>>>> The stock has soared over 700%.
>>>>>> And up until last November, it was the world's largest publicly
>>>>>> traded company.
>>>>>> But two weeks ago, Apple issued a rare warning that shocked
>>>>>> investors.
>>>>>> For the first time since 2002, the company slashed its earnings
>>>>>> forecast.
>>>>>> The stock plunged 10% for its worst day in six years.
>>>>>> This capped off a horrible few months in which Apple stock crashed
>>>>>> about 35% from its November peak.
>>>>>> That erased $446 billion in shareholder value-the biggest wipeout
>>>>>> of wealth in a single stock ever.
>>>>>> And it's only the beginning.
>>>>>> Apple's Strong Revenue Growth Hides a Dirty Secret If you looked at
>>>>>> Apple's sales numbers, you wouldn't see anything wrong.
>>>>>> Since 2001, Apple has seen steady revenue growth:
>>>>>> By this measure, Apple's business seems perfectly healthy. But
>>>>>> there's a secret hidden behind these headline numbers.
>>>>>> Despite the revenue growth, Apple is selling fewer iPhones every
>>>>>> year.
>>>>>> In fact, iPhone unit sales peaked way back in 2015. Last year, Apple
>>>>>> sold 14 million fewer phones than it did three years ago.
>>>>>> Apple Kept Revenue Growth Only by Raising iPhone Prices In 2010, you
>>>>>> could buy a brand-new iPhone 4 for 199 bucks.
>>>>>> In 2014, the newly released iPhone 6 cost 299 bucks.
>>>>>> Today the cheapest model of the latest iPhone X costs $1,149!
>>>>>> It's a 500% hike from what Apple charged eight years ago.
>>>>>> But technology always gets cheaper over time.
>>>>>> Not so long ago, a flat-screen high-definition TV was a luxury. Even
>>>>>> a small one cost thousands of dollars. Today you can get a 55-inch
>>>>>> one from Best Buy for $500.
>>>>>> In 1984, Motorola sold the first cell phone for $4,000. The average
>>>>>> price for a smartphone today is $320, according to research firm IDC.
>>>>>> Cell phone prices have come down roughly 92%. And yet, Apple has
>>>>>> hiked its smartphone prices by 500%!
>>>>>> Frankly, it's remarkable that Apple has managed to pull this off.
>>>>>> But let me tell you this.
>>>>>> Apple Can't Raise Prices Anymore
>>>>>> It comes down to the lifecycle of disruptive businesses.
>>>>>> Twelve years ago, only 120 million people owned a cell phone. Today
>>>>>> over five billion people own a smartphone, according to IDC.
>>>>>> Apple was the driving force behind this explosion. As the dominant
>>>>>> player in a rapidly growing market, it become the most profitable
>>>>>> publicly traded company in history.
>>>>>> Then iPhone sales growth stalled in 2015. This would've been the end
>>>>>> for most businesses.
>>>>>> But Apple did a masterful job of extending its prime through price
>>>>>> hikes.
>>>>>> Its prestigious brand and army of die-hard fans allowed it to charge
>>>>>> prices that seemed crazy just a few years ago.
>>>>>> But now iPhone price hikes have gone about as far as they can go.
>>>>>> After all, what's the most you would pay for a smartphone?
>>>>>> $1,500?
>>>>>> $2,000?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How bad is this? It's so bad that Apple now keeps it a secret.
>>>>>> In November, Apple announced it would stop disclosing iPhone unit
>>>>>> sales.
>>>>>> This is a very important piece of information. Investors deserve to
>>>>>> know it.
>>>>>> Yet Apple now keeps it secret.
>>>>>> Keep in Mind, the iPhone is Apple's Crown Jewel iPhone generates
>>>>>> two-thirds of Apple's overall sales.
>>>>>> Let that sink in.
>>>>>> A publicly traded company that makes most of its money from selling
>>>>>> phones is no longer telling investors how many phones it sells!
>>>>>> And its other business lines can't pick up the slack for falling
>>>>>> iPhone sales.
>>>>>> Twenty percent of Apple's revenue comes from iPads and computers.
>>>>>> Those segments are also stagnant.
>>>>>> Which means 86% of Apple's business is going nowhere.
>>>>>> Could Apple go the other way and slash iPhone prices?
>>>>>> I ran the numbers.
>>>>>> If Apple cut prices back to 2016 levels, it would have to sell 41
>>>>>> million additional phones just to match 2018's revenue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Will Apple Meet Nokia's Fate?
>>>>>> Before Apple, Nokia (NOK) was king of cell phones.
>>>>>> In 2007 the front-cover headline of a major business magazine read:
>>>>>> "Nokia: One billion customers-can anyone catch the cell phone king?"
>>>>>> The iPhone debuted in 2007. Here's Nokia's stock chart since then:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Original Article at:
>>>>>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/stephenmcbride1/2019/01/21/the-end-of-apple/#68
>>>>>>
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