Same with my husband. In fact, I turn off Screen Curtain and VoiceOver. He taught electronics in community college and was a printer, so is a computer whiz, but not so with blind stuff on phones.
We're like people talking politics. We think what we think and some think what they think, so we can just think what we think and let the world rock on. Best regards, Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 7:14 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> Subject: Re: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain Obviously there are some sighted people who know all about accessibility and some sighted people who don't know anything about it at all. I'd be surprised if a sighted person was using voiceOver though, since it changes the gesture set. A sighted person who isn't running VoiceOver can just touch an object on the screen, if they're running voiceOver they have to touch the object on the screen and then double tap the screen. I find it hard to believe a lot of sighted people would put up with this just to use the screen curtain. Furthermore, I think most sighted people would want to see the screen while they're using it, and if they're not going to use it, then the screen is going to just lock anyway, so I'm not sure why a sighted person would even bother with the screen curtain. My wife is sighted, so she knows something about accessibility and VoiceOver, but she doesn't use screen curtain, and every time I hand her my phone I have to talk her through disabling the screen curtain and how she has to touch something and then double tap the screen. Obviously, I'll turn off VoiceOver before I hand her my phone, if I can. On 6/19/19 11:08 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: I don’t think it was bashing, others including myself were simply stating our experience with how helpless almost all sighted people are when it comes to using a phone where Voiceover is turned on. I have yet to come across a single sighted person who uses Voiceover and you can’t use screen curtain unless Voiceover is running since that is a feature which exists only if Voiceover is on, you can’t turn on screen curtain as a stand-alone accessibility feature. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of janet gross Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 3:10 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub from this list) Sieghard and all, Ok once again, I will only reply to this Screen curtain issue one more time. I’ve seen many sighted people including my family, as well as my friends using the screen curtain, matter of fact, I even seen my Niece’s school teacher using it. please don’t ask me why, but the fact remains, I see this quite often. I’ve even been on a public bus, and seen a bus driver using it, and the reason I know this is because they either tell me they like this screen curtain if they know me, or I hear Voiceover saying screen curtain on or off. Maybe some sighted people use that feature for privacy as that is the reason I use the screen curtain feature. Who knows, but it doesn’t matter to me if a sighted person wants to use an accessibility feature. Although, I have noticed most of them who use the screen curtain, is when either they turn their phone off, or like this school teacher, she uses Siri to set the timer, and she turns on the screen curtain, maybe she doesn’t want the kids to see her phone screen. They might not even realize they are using an accessibility feature, so if they want to, so be it! So some blind people say sighted people don’t know anything about accessibility, and I say I do know some sighted people do know about it. We all are certainly entitled to our own opinions. Please let’s not turn this in to bashing. Janet From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 11:42 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub from this list) I could ask the opposite, what makes you think all, most or even some sighted people know about the screen curtain? I am completely blind but as part of operating a retail store in a small town where the only other few visually impaired or blind people are some elderly folks who have lost their sight I deal exclusively with sighted people and that includes going to buying shows where I often pass my phone to a sales rep to show him a picture or ask him/her to take a picture of a product to show to my employees. I rarely have come across anybody who can even take a picture when Voiceover is on because sighted people don’t know you have to double tap a button when Voiceover is active, they tap the Take Picture button a few times until I tell them that doesn’t work. I don’t often turn on the screen curtain, but when I do and forget I usually get the comment “Hmm, your phone is off” or “your screen doesn’t work”. I guaranty that if you went to a mall and did a random survey of 500 sighted people where you handed them an iPhone with Voiceover and the screen curtain on and asked them the simple question whether they can tell you the time which is displayed on the phone that none of them could. You might of course get lucky and somebody may have a blind friend or family member who may have told them about the screen curtain feature which does not exist for sighted people and is completely a foreign concept for them. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of janet gross Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 10:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub from this list) Hi Marcio, How do you know sighted people don’t know about Screen Curtain?? I think you and others are sadly mistaken when you think sighted people don’t know anything about the Screen Curtain?, but each to their own! LOL! Janet From: 'Marcio' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 12:15 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub from this list) Carolyn, How could they turn off Screen Curtain? They haven't a clue, and there is nothing to see. Wondering the very same thing. 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