Oh, come on! The world isn’t so black and white! Low vision people might use voiceover and even invoke screen curtain.
Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda MySpace.com/musikonalda Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda Twitter: @lpnalda > On Jun 20, 2019, at 4:05 PM, Mr. Ed <pink...@abe.midco.net> wrote: > > Hi Sieghard and Janet, > I am not bashing anyone on this subject. I just find it hard to believe all > those sighted people are using screen curtain as they would have to have VO > on to use it. I am like Sieghard, how would they use it with VO on as I have > not ran into any sighted person who could use VO. Are you sure they are using > screen curtain and not just locking their iPhone to have the screen black. > Mr. Ed > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 11:09 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub > from this list) > > I don’t think it was bashing, others including myself were simply stating our > experience with how helpless almost all sighted people are when it comes to > using a phone where Voiceover is turned on. > I have yet to come across a single sighted person who uses Voiceover and you > can’t use screen curtain unless Voiceover is running since that is a feature > which exists only if Voiceover is on, you can’t turn on screen curtain as a > stand-alone accessibility feature. > > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of janet > gross > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 3:10 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub > from this list) > > Sieghard and all, > Ok once again, I will only reply to this Screen curtain issue one more time. > I’ve seen many sighted people including my family, as well as my friends > using the screen curtain, matter of fact, I even seen my Niece’s school > teacher using it. please don’t ask me why, but the fact remains, I see this > quite often. I’ve even been on a public bus, and seen a bus driver using it, > and the reason I know this is because they either tell me they like this > screen curtain if they know me, or I hear Voiceover saying screen curtain on > or off. Maybe some sighted people use that feature for privacy as that is > the reason I use the screen curtain feature. Who knows, but it doesn’t > matter to me if a sighted person wants to use an accessibility feature. > Although, I have noticed most of them who use the screen curtain, is when > either they turn their phone off, or like this school teacher, she uses Siri > to set the timer, and she turns on the screen curtain, maybe she doesn’t want > the kids to see her phone screen. They might not even realize they are using > an accessibility feature, so if they want to, so be it! > So some blind people say sighted people don’t know anything about > accessibility, and I say I do know some sighted people do know about it. We > all are certainly entitled to our own opinions. > Please let’s not turn this in to bashing. > > Janet > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Sieghard Weitzel > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 11:42 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub > from this list) > > I could ask the opposite, what makes you think all, most or even some sighted > people know about the screen curtain? > I am completely blind but as part of operating a retail store in a small town > where the only other few visually impaired or blind people are some elderly > folks who have lost their sight I deal exclusively with sighted people and > that includes going to buying shows where I often pass my phone to a sales > rep to show him a picture or ask him/her to take a picture of a product to > show to my employees. I rarely have come across anybody who can even take a > picture when Voiceover is on because sighted people don’t know you have to > double tap a button when Voiceover is active, they tap the Take Picture > button a few times until I tell them that doesn’t work. I don’t often turn on > the screen curtain, but when I do and forget I usually get the comment “Hmm, > your phone is off” or “your screen doesn’t work”. > I guaranty that if you went to a mall and did a random survey of 500 sighted > people where you handed them an iPhone with Voiceover and the screen curtain > on and asked them the simple question whether they can tell you the time > which is displayed on the phone that none of them could. You might of course > get lucky and somebody may have a blind friend or family member who may have > told them about the screen curtain feature which does not exist for sighted > people and is completely a foreign concept for them. > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of janet > gross > Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 10:38 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub > from this list) > > Hi Marcio, > How do you know sighted people don’t know about Screen Curtain?? I think you > and others are sadly mistaken when you think sighted people don’t know > anything about the Screen Curtain?, but each to their own! LOL! > Janet > > From: 'Marcio' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 12:15 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub > from this list) > > Carolyn, > How could they turn off Screen Curtain? They haven't a clue, and there is > nothing to see. > Wondering the very same thing. Given that a sighted person will use the > screen to do what we do using the screen reader, how could they do it without > anything to see? > > Cheers, > Marcio > AKA Starboy > > Sent from a galaxy far, far away. > > -- > Are you a Thunderbird user? 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