I'll put it this way, none of the sighted people who know and love me would bother with it, too hard.
Best regards, Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, June 21, 2019 11:57 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub from this list) Low vision users may, but give e 1 single reason why a sighted person would turn on Voiceover and then turn on the screen curtain, at that point they are putting themselves on the same level as a blind person with respect to using their phone, they can’t see the screen and would have to rely entirely on Voiceover to double tap on things, they couldn’t swipe to answer a call and if they wanted to type something they couldn’t just tap away at lightning speed as many especially younger sighted people who grew up with touchscreens can do. This would almost be like a sighted person putting on a blindfold and walking around with a white cane, there simply is no reason for it. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Pete Nalda Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 9:44 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub from this list) Oh, come on! The world isn’t so black and white! Low vision people might use voiceover and even invoke screen curtain. Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda MySpace.com/musikonalda <http://MySpace.com/musikonalda> Facebook.com/lpnalda <http://Facebook.com/lpnalda> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda <http://Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda> Twitter: @lpnalda On Jun 20, 2019, at 4:05 PM, Mr. Ed <pink...@abe.midco.net <mailto:pink...@abe.midco.net> > wrote: Hi Sieghard and Janet, I am not bashing anyone on this subject. I just find it hard to believe all those sighted people are using screen curtain as they would have to have VO on to use it. I am like Sieghard, how would they use it with VO on as I have not ran into any sighted person who could use VO. Are you sure they are using screen curtain and not just locking their iPhone to have the screen black. Mr. Ed From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 11:09 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub from this list) I don’t think it was bashing, others including myself were simply stating our experience with how helpless almost all sighted people are when it comes to using a phone where Voiceover is turned on. I have yet to come across a single sighted person who uses Voiceover and you can’t use screen curtain unless Voiceover is running since that is a feature which exists only if Voiceover is on, you can’t turn on screen curtain as a stand-alone accessibility feature. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of janet gross Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 3:10 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub from this list) Sieghard and all, Ok once again, I will only reply to this Screen curtain issue one more time. I’ve seen many sighted people including my family, as well as my friends using the screen curtain, matter of fact, I even seen my Niece’s school teacher using it. please don’t ask me why, but the fact remains, I see this quite often. I’ve even been on a public bus, and seen a bus driver using it, and the reason I know this is because they either tell me they like this screen curtain if they know me, or I hear Voiceover saying screen curtain on or off. Maybe some sighted people use that feature for privacy as that is the reason I use the screen curtain feature. Who knows, but it doesn’t matter to me if a sighted person wants to use an accessibility feature. Although, I have noticed most of them who use the screen curtain, is when either they turn their phone off, or like this school teacher, she uses Siri to set the timer, and she turns on the screen curtain, maybe she doesn’t want the kids to see her phone screen. They might not even realize they are using an accessibility feature, so if they want to, so be it! So some blind people say sighted people don’t know anything about accessibility, and I say I do know some sighted people do know about it. We all are certainly entitled to our own opinions. Please let’s not turn this in to bashing. Janet From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 11:42 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub from this list) I could ask the opposite, what makes you think all, most or even some sighted people know about the screen curtain? I am completely blind but as part of operating a retail store in a small town where the only other few visually impaired or blind people are some elderly folks who have lost their sight I deal exclusively with sighted people and that includes going to buying shows where I often pass my phone to a sales rep to show him a picture or ask him/her to take a picture of a product to show to my employees. I rarely have come across anybody who can even take a picture when Voiceover is on because sighted people don’t know you have to double tap a button when Voiceover is active, they tap the Take Picture button a few times until I tell them that doesn’t work. I don’t often turn on the screen curtain, but when I do and forget I usually get the comment “Hmm, your phone is off” or “your screen doesn’t work”. I guaranty that if you went to a mall and did a random survey of 500 sighted people where you handed them an iPhone with Voiceover and the screen curtain on and asked them the simple question whether they can tell you the time which is displayed on the phone that none of them could. You might of course get lucky and somebody may have a blind friend or family member who may have told them about the screen curtain feature which does not exist for sighted people and is completely a foreign concept for them. From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> <viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of janet gross Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 10:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub from this list) Hi Marcio, How do you know sighted people don’t know about Screen Curtain?? I think you and others are sadly mistaken when you think sighted people don’t know anything about the Screen Curtain?, but each to their own! LOL! Janet From: 'Marcio' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 12:15 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub from this list) Carolyn, How could they turn off Screen Curtain? They haven't a clue, and there is nothing to see. Wondering the very same thing. 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