Richard, no I'm not using the Gmail app. Some of the apps really streamlined some of those things that I really like to use, and some don't work well at all. So no I only did it the way you suggested and I'm still getting all kinds of weird editing issues. Who knows, maybe things will settle down soon. I hope so.
Sent from my iPhone > On May 11, 2020, at 2:59 PM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> > wrote: > > Maybe you did, but the wording of your message had me thinking you were > using the Gmail app, not the Apple mail app. > > > Richard > Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it > just stops you from enjoying the good." > > Sent with the iPhone SE 2020 > www.turner42.com > > >>> On May 11, 2020, at 11:17 AM, deidre muccio <deidreandlou...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >> what do you mean set up Gmail through the Apple thing on the phone. I >> thought that's what I did. I thought it was in passwords and accounts. from >> my iPhone >> >>> On May 11, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> First, the Apple advisor was wrong. The confusing edit box messages on >>> web pages is an Apple issue, which I understand is fixed in 13.5 when it >>> comes out. >>> If you are going to stick with the Gmail app, you will likely continue >>> finding all these issues in mail. >>> The Apple default mail app handles Gmail accounts very well. >>> You should, at the very least, setup your gmail account in Settings, >>> Passwords and accounts, and try it out before dumping the phone or Apple. >>> Good luck with Android if you do leave Apple. >>> >>> >>> Richard >>> Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, >>> it just stops you from enjoying the good." >>> >>> Sent with the iPhone SE 2020 >>> www.turner42.com >>> >>> >>>> On May 11, 2020, at 10:36 AM, deidre muccio <deidreandlou...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello all, >>>>> Before hitting the list with more complaints about how jumpy my new SE2 >>>>> with IOS 13.4.1 is, I called Apple Accessibility this morning to sort out >>>>> what features I might be able to eliminate and to demo the kinds of voice >>>>> over problems I was having. We screen shared so that the person at the >>>>> other end of the line could see what was happening on my screen in real >>>>> time. >>>>> Remember now that I have updated from using an I phone 6 with 12.4.6, >>>>> which did everything I wanted, other than turn on location tracking with >>>>> Seeri which has only become possible with IOS 13_ - that gets one gold >>>>> star in my book. The screen on the 6 is shattered and the ringer stopped >>>>> working quite some time ago, and some sounds and notifications were no >>>>> longer spoken, even though the actual function of receiving and sending >>>>> calls and mail and messages continued to work just fine. >>>>> I bought a cheap iPhone 6S that has 13.13.2.3 on to serve in the >>>>> interim before the SE came out. It's been weeks now, so I can't recall if >>>>> the 6S with 13.2.3 threw me any curve balls, but the SE with IOS 13.4.1 >>>>> is driving me crazy. >>>>> One of my main gripes has to do with mail. I use gmail on the new phone >>>>> as I did on the 6 and it has become a nightmare to write, read then edit >>>>> messages. I get these spontaneous spoken invitations to format text, >>>>> insert a picture, and other things others must also be seeing, at least >>>>> if they are using gmail on their SE's. I often cannot back space >>>>> character by character to read or delete text, or select text in any >>>>> block. This can be true for rereading text as well where I get thrown all >>>>> over the place and the cursor, seems to be somewhere other than where I >>>>> am reading from, or where voice over lead me to believe I was. I >>>>> sometimes suspect it might be trying to correct something even though I >>>>> have all that turned off. >>>>> Then there is that insistent vertical scroll bar that gets activated all >>>>> the time when what I thought I was doing was simply reading text whether >>>>> it be on Facebook or in any other App. >>>>> The same voice over inaccuracy and jumpiness comes into play using Safari >>>>> which is the browser Apple uses. The Accessibility person said it was the >>>>> fault of the web site not voice over that, by way of example, when Voice >>>>> over told me that I was in a live edit field, and when I went to type in >>>>> my search criteria, I was bounced all over the place. This happened on >>>>> the Hadley site which is a learning tools service for the Blind. What the >>>>> person at the other end of the phone line saw was that I was not in an >>>>> edit field at all, but that I was in a green box with nothing in it. >>>>> Another time, when vo told I was in an edit field where I could type, the >>>>> accessibility guy said that I was actually on a picture of a woman. >>>>> I am astonished that voice over has become so unstable in the day to day >>>>> doing many of the things I've been doing for years using some of the same >>>>> web sites and mail programs. Has Hadley gone that far down the tubes in >>>>> terms of their web design? Or why are those speech codes no longer >>>>> shared, or working when they did with other versions of IOS? Is this by >>>>> deliberate design? If it is, my days as a consumer of Apple products may >>>>> be over when it comes time to get a new phone. >>>>> Can anyone please tell me what about all this is correct and what might >>>>> not be? For one thing, I guess I'd better go back and select voice over >>>>> to speak all images it encounters rather than just the labelled ones, so >>>>> maybe voice over won't confuse where I am and speak something that isn't >>>>> true. I am also violently opposed to using Apple mail or web mail, so I'm >>>>> stuck there too unless I change my mind about it. >>>>> I'm ready to get rid of this phone. >>>>> >>>>> Deidre >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone >>>> list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>> >>>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >>>> mk...@ucla.edu. 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