I can still do the two fingers down to read the screen.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 7, 2020, at 8:27 AM, Mike B. <mb69ma...@fastmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> That's good it still works.  It says in Accessibility / Spoken content, or at 
> least it insinuates, that Speak Screen needs to be turned on to work.  I 
> should have tested it before posting.  Thank you for the heads-up.
> 
> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
>  *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee 
> it cleans the toilet. 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ryan Mann
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 6:15 AM
> Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> message window
> 
> I have speak screen disabled. I can still swipe down with two fingers to read 
> the screen. This is a voice over feature.
> 
> Get Outlook for iOS
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Mike 
> B. <mb69ma...@fastmail.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 9:42:27 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> message window
>  
> Carolyn, if you disable, Speak Screen, the 2 finger swipe down gesture from 
> the top of the screen won't read the screen contents any longer, that's if 
> you ever use this feature just so you know.
> 
> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
>  *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee 
> it cleans the toilet. 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Richard Turner
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2020 5:48 PM
> Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> message window
> 
> Carolyn,
> Check under Settings, Accessibility, Spoken Content.
> Turn off speak screen and speak selection if they are on.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> Chicken: A pet that poops breakfast
> 
> 
> > On Jun 6, 2020, at 5:42 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> > 
> > I get some kind of stuff about speak screen too that is in my way, 
> > especially when entering access code or when entering a phone number. 
> > Whatever it is, I think I'd be as well off with tit disabled. 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> > Of Dave
> > Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 7:25 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> > message window
> > 
> > no.
> > 
> > Dave.
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dennis Long
> > Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2020 12:22 AM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: RE: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> > message window
> > 
> > Can the  scroll bar be disabled?
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
> > Shirley Baker
> > Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 12:45 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Vertical scroll bar, was: RE: Removing the clutter on The 
> > message window
> > 
> > Can you give me a little more instructions about finding a certain email 
> > using the scroll bar because this is what I would probably use it for. This 
> > does make sense but I just want a little more help in understanding about 
> > finding say a certain email.
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >> On Jun 6, 2020, at 10:53 AM, Nicola Sanders 
> >> <nicola.sand...@telenet.be>
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hi Shirley,
> >> Sure, I'll give it a try. I've edited the subject line to reflect the 
> >> shift in topic. I'll explain how the scroll bar works and give a 
> >> couple of examples of how I use it.
> >> As you know, the vertical scroll bar is a very narrow strip running 
> >> down the right-hand edge of the screen. If you are at the top of a 
> >> list (or a document, a webpage or whatever), when you touch the 
> >> vertical scroll bar, VoiceOver will say "vertical scroll bar, 0%". 
> >> When you swipe down on the scroll bar with one finger, it moves you 
> >> down through the list in increments of 10%; so however long your list 
> >> or page may be, you can get from top to bottom with just ten 
> >> one-finger swipes. The alternative would be to swipe up using three 
> >> fingers, but that gesture moves you in far smaller increments, just a 
> >> screen at a time, and so it takes a lot longer to move through the list 
> >> and locate what you're looking for.
> >> One example where I find this useful is a TV app in the UK, called Sky+. 
> >> In the TV guide section there are hundreds of channels, numbered 1 to 
> >> 999, with a few gaps in the numbering. Supposing I'm I want to read 
> >> the channels starting from number 500 onwards: I touch the vertical 
> >> scroll bar and swipe down to around 50%, and I know I won't be far 
> >> off. I touch the middle of the screen to read one of the channel 
> >> numbers currently displayed, and I can then use the three-finger swipe 
> >> up or down to find the exact location. If I were to do a three-finger 
> >> swipe through the whole list, it would take me far longer, as each 
> >> screen only consists of around six channels. Also, I don't find it 
> >> that easy to use that gesture repeatedly and very fast, and I'm 
> >> inclined to lose focus and have to tap the middle of the screen before 
> >> continuing. There are no such problems with the vertical scroll bar.
> >> I also find it useful when navigating through my email inbox. I have 
> >> far too many messages in there and am in the process of cleaning them up.
> >> Obviously I can search for a specific message, but I may just want to 
> >> look at the emails that I received around a certain time. Again, the 
> >> three-finger swipe would take ages.
> >> I often use the scroll bar to find my place in a long document or 
> >> newspaper article if I get interrupted. I use it with large web pages 
> >> as well, as it can often be difficult to navigate through the whole 
> >> page by headings. In many situations I can do a three-finger tap on 
> >> the middle of the screen to hear roughly where I am, e.g. "rows 35 to 
> >> 41 of 72"; next time I want to find that location, I use the scroll 
> >> bar to go to 50%, and I know I won't be far out.
> >> Note that the scroll bar works in the opposite direction to the 
> >> three-finger swipe: you swipe down on the scroll bar, but up when 
> >> using the traditional swipe gesture, to move from the top to the bottom.
> >> I hope that made some sense - if not, let me know and I'll try to clarify.
> >> HTH,
> >> Nicky
> >> 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
> >> Shirley Baker
> >> Sent: 06 June 2020 05:56
> >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >> Subject: Re: Removing the clutter on The message window
> >> 
> >> What long lists might you be referring to because I just don't 
> >> understand how to use this. Maybe you could explain to where it would 
> >> make sense please.
> >> q
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> 
> >>>> On Jun 5, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Nicola Sanders 
> >>>> <nicola.sand...@telenet.be>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>> Maybe I'm the only one, but personally I love the vertical scroll 
> >>> bar! I find it really useful for navigating very long lists - much 
> >>> quicker than endless three-finger swiping. Perhaps it should be an option 
> >>> in Settings.
> >>> Best,
> >>> Nicky
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf 
> >>> Of Carolyn
> >>> Sent: 05 June 2020 20:35
> >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>> Subject: RE: Removing the clutter on The message window Boy I would 
> >>> too!
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> >>> Behalf Of Dave
> >>> Sent: Friday, June 5, 2020 2:16 PM
> >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>> Subject: Re: Removing the clutter on The message window I would like 
> >>> the option. To hide the vertical scrol lbar.
> >>> Dave.
> >>> From: Anne West <mailto:k1stm...@gmail.com>
> >>> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2020 6:30 PM
> >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> >>> Subject: RE: Removing the clutter on The message window I agree. It 
> >>> seems the world is suddenly camera happy. I would like to get rid of 
> >>> that info too. It’s annoying.
> >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf 
> >>> Of Afik Souffir
> >>> Sent: Friday, June 5, 2020 9:40
> >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>> Subject: Re: Removing the clutter on The message window Hi Ann, I 
> >>> dont think that its have an option for this.
> >>> Sent from my Iphone
> >>>> On 5 Jun 2020, at 16:35, Ann Byrne <ann...@sbcglobal.net 
> >>>> <mailto:ann...@sbcglobal.net> > wrote:
> >>> On the texting screen, there is all kinds of clutter including the 
> >>> names of other apps, camera, record, and so on.  Is there a way to 
> >>> clear the crud off the screen so a beginner (or experienceder) can 
> >>> navigate directly to the text area and the keyboard without having to 
> >>> negotiate fifteen other items that don't relate to texting?
> >>> I hope.
> >>> Thx,
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